655: Shorts-Compatible Body Type
04 Sep 2025The iPhone 16 Pro’s exit interview, what we’re expecting to see next week in the iPhone 17 lineup, and a parade of fun euphemisms.
Episode Description:
- Pre-Show: Trouble in Razer paradise
- 🗣️ It’s St. Jude time again! 🗣️
- Follow-up:
- Casey has thoughts about the compact iOS 26 controls in Safari
Settings→Apps→Safari
- Apple device advice for those that are athletically engaged
- Place your phone face-down (via. A. O.)
- Sleep focus is an option (via A. M.)
- So is Theater Mode and, if taps are an issue, water lock (via Ryan)
- How to stop Siri from randomly activating all the damn time by D. Griffin Jones
- Fun fact: you can add it to the Health app! (via Niv Ben-Porath)
- A truly hilarious story from Anonymous
- Developing “product sense” (via Joseph Kibe)
- Casey has thoughts about the compact iOS 26 controls in Safari
- iPhone 16 exit interview
- iPhone event preview
- Crossbody strap
- Apple Natural Titanium Milanese Loop (Marco’s summer watch band)
- Post-show: Smaller e-ink note-taking tablets
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Chapters
- Another one (briefly) bites the dust
- Donate to St. Jude
- iOS Safari’s “compact” toolbar
- Sponsor: Factor (code atp50off)
- Gettin’-dirty follow-up
- Product-sense book rec
- iPhone 16 Pro exit interview
- Sponsor: Quince
- iPhone 17 preview
- iPhone 17 Pro/Max preview
- Sponsor: Squarespace
- iPhone “Air” preview
- AirPods Pro 3 preview
- Apple Watch preview
- Hopes and dreams
- Ending theme
- reMarkable Paper Pro Move
Another one (briefly) bites the dust
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I had another one of my Razer gaming laptops have a significant problem.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a surprise. Yeah, this is mine. So this is the one that gets the least use because it’s mine.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So, you know, it’s only like when I’m playing family games, like I don’t really play by myself. It’s, I think, five years
⏹️ ▶️ Marco old, something like that, maybe more, maybe six. It’s not new.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey It’s six years old and running Windows, so you’ve reinstalled Windows 12 times at this point?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well never because it’s a gaming laptop, so I don’t care how bad it gets
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but it we were in the middle of a family Minecraft game the other day and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It starts making a terrible sound
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey Don’t love that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah It’s you know starts making a very very bad sound seemingly from one of the fans
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and the whole laptop starts vibrating like crazy So I’m like, okay probably, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco maybe a bearing, you know, went bad in the fan or something, but it’s like, it’s unusable. And
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s gotta be the only thing left inside a laptop that conceivably could make
⏹️ ▶️ John noise other than the speaker, because there’s no other moving parts in there, right? It’s just the fans.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, just fans. And I mean, you know, you could theoretically have like electronic, you know, whines and chirping.
⏹️ ▶️ John a buzzer or a whine maybe, or like I said, the speakers could be going wonky and sending stuff, but yeah, the
⏹️ ▶️ John fans. Yeah. Sounds like a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco culprit. Yeah, so, in all fairness, we’ve now had in the three
⏹️ ▶️ Marco members of our family, I think we’ve had five Razer gaming laptops or four. This is the last
⏹️ ▶️ Marco one standing. They do not last under actual use by actual gamers.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco They’re great for people like me who occasionally play games with their family but don’t play a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco lot heavily every day. They do not last. And I would love
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to say, oh my God, look at this PC laptop maker that sucks. But the reality is like not only is Razer, I think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the best PC laptop maker I’ve found so far, at least for this for this kind of PC,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but also like no laptop could stand up to the amount of stress that a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco heavy gaming load for, you know, every day for years puts on it anyway. So I open
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it up and of course I see the battery is a little bit pillow shaped. Oh no,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco your old friend. And so, and it’s subtle, but it’s there.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like it’s definitely puffy. JS
⏹️ ▶️ John There should be no puffiness. Zero puffiness is the correct amount.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco CB Right, which I learned last time this came up and I asked the audience and everyone including you said
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s supposed to be a flat rectangle and it was very much not.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is it John? Zero boobs?
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, spicy ravioli, I believe was
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey the phrase that
⏹️ ▶️ John the internet sent Marco immediately upon him posting a picture of his bulging battery. CB
⏹️ ▶️ Marco In large quantities, I might add as well. I got many of those anyway, so I’ve recognized
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this was the early stages of this problem, too So all right, so I take the battery out And I’m looking
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the fan and like I tried you know just like blowing some air with the fan that didn’t help anything at all I’m like okay well
⏹️ ▶️ Marco fortunately Parts are so cheap now like for PC laptop
⏹️ ▶️ Marco repair. I was able to like go on Amazon I just typed in the numbers off the battery
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and the numbers off the fan got a replacement of each from God knows what
⏹️ ▶️ Marco company. It was definitely not Razor, but some compatible third party part for this like five or
⏹️ ▶️ Marco six year old laptop.
⏹️ ▶️ John And do they have to put an authorization on your credit card for $1,500 worth of tools in Pelican cases or no? No, surprisingly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And it only took two of the screwdriver tips in my iFixit screwdriver kit.
⏹️ ▶️ John And to be fair to that repair program that I was making fun of as people will write in and tell us just to preempt them, we
⏹️ ▶️ John know that that’s not the case for things that you can open with regular tools. and it’s really only the case for the iPads and the phones, but it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John still a funny joke. Anyway, continue.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, well, also like, you know, for Apple, a lot of the repair process of their products involves like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, take the entire face off and then go in with 10 little clips. And you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, like there’s, Apple’s products are mostly comically unrepairable.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But anyway, so this was, I opened up the bottom, pulled the fan out, I got the new fan and battery
⏹️ ▶️ Marco today. Total cost of both, I think about $70. Oh,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And it’s fixed. I did it all today. It was no big deal. Both were super easy. You
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know, one little cable connected each one and just some screws and it’s fixed and I’m happy. So I kind of wanted to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco put, you know, kind of shout out like, you know, first of all, hey, thanks Razer for making a pretty good gaming laptop as
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they go. They still, you know, again, under heavy use, you want a desktop, but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, for this, it was nice and serviceable. It was easy to fix, popped in the new battery and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s great. Everything’s fine. The fans are great. Like I was very surprised. I think
⏹️ ▶️ John on a curve here. Haven’t you had, well, I was gonna say, haven’t you had Mac laptops for more than five years? Maybe you haven’t,
⏹️ ▶️ John but I believe both Casey and I have had Mac laptops for a long time. I think it’s just a bad batch of
⏹️ ▶️ John batteries in that model that you got because to have two laptops in your house have bulging
⏹️ ▶️ John batteries after five years or less sounds like not good. Like if that was happening
⏹️ ▶️ John to Apple laptops, I don’t think we would accept it as the quality. It’s good that it was easy to repair, but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco still not great. Oh yeah, no, that part, you know, that’s part’s not amazing, but if it was an
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Apple laptop, I wouldn’t have been able to fix it. And you know, for this to have, and these,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the ones that had the bulging batteries were not made in the same year, but they were both, you know, Razer 15
⏹️ ▶️ Marco inch gaming laptops.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco even more concerning. Yes, so actually, yeah, you’re right. I guess that probably means most of Razer’s batteries
⏹️ ▶️ Marco maybe would have this problem after some amount of time. But I’m not happy that it had the problem,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but I’m happy that it was very easy to fix. And now it seems like it’s in perfectly working order. And you know, if
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this was an Apple product, the answer would have just been replace it.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, probably. Or you could have done the, like, it is possible, you know, go to iFixit and look up how to replace the battery.
⏹️ ▶️ John Especially now that they’re getting, hopefully they’ll expand those like little things where you send electricity through it and the battery releases
⏹️ ▶️ John from the glue thing and everything. You know, I forget that that’s expanded to laptops, but it is getting easier
⏹️ ▶️ John to do those kinds of repairs, but it’s still much harder than the experience you had with the Razer laptop.
Donate to St. Jude
⏹️ ▶️ Casey It is September, which means it is time to participate in Relay for St. Jude.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And so this is the time of year where we celebrate, or at least recognize,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Childhood Cancer Awareness Month. And we do that by trying to raise money for St. Jude Children’s Research
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Hospital. And it has come to time that it is time for the three of us to do our donations
⏹️ ▶️ Casey live on air. So I encourage all of you listening, and I demand the two of you co-hosts,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey If you’ll go to stjude.org.atp, S-T-J-U-D-E.org.atp, and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you can click the Donate Now button, and scroll a little bit to where you click it again, and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey now you are presented with some rewards, which I don’t believe we talked about last week. If you
⏹️ ▶️ Casey donate at least $60, you get relay wallpapers and a Mac OS screensaver by a friend of the show, James
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Thompson. And if you donate at least $100, you get a sticker pack that has the stickers
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of the six hosts of the podcast-a-thon, of which yours truly is one of them, and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey also some sort of digital bundle that, to be honest, I’m not entirely sure what that is. So you will hopefully be
⏹️ ▶️ Casey leveraging Marco Offset, which we’ll talk about in a moment, to get at least $160 worth of donations. So
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you can get those perks, and you will then check out. And for each of us, we will be doing our
⏹️ ▶️ Casey customary $7,000. And we do that because we really want to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey show in Lead by Example that, hey, it is possible for you to spend some serious money
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on this charity, and we believe in this charity, and we hope that you do too. So I am filling
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that out as we speak. I am sure I am screwing something up, because I always do. But
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I am going to vamp while I do
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that. I had to select pictures of motorcycles, but I got through. I made it.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, hold on. Hold on. I’m not there yet. Goodness.
⏹️ ▶️ John You could have pre-flighted all this before we got on the air, you know. Right up to the last part, where you’re ready to click the button.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I thought about it. and then I didn’t. Because I wanted to go through it with the listeners.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, and like, the last thing you want is like a session timeout, right
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John after. Right, exactly. Well,
⏹️ ▶️ John we’ll see how this works out for me. I’m looking at a page right now and it doesn’t look
⏹️ ▶️ John timed out, but I haven’t clicked the button yet.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco What, did you fill it out like eight in the morning?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Yeah, right now.
⏹️ ▶️ John Just like right before, right when I sat down, I filled it
⏹️ ▶️ Casey out. All right, now I’m clicking through to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John payment. If you
⏹️ ▶️ John sign in, like we should all have accounts on the payment processor that you use. If you just sign in, it should have like your home address
⏹️ ▶️ John for the delivery of the sticker pack and stuff like that. Like that’s all pre-filled.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Select all images with cars. All right, I didn’t get motorcycles. Oh, I didn’t see, I didn’t get that either.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m clicking the button. All right, go, but I’m not there yet, I’m almost there. All right, while that’s thinking, because
⏹️ ▶️ Casey apparently, I don’t know, maybe my credit card is bouncing as we speak, but no, there we go. All right,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we have done it, as far as I can tell. So hopefully we will see that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey if we go back to stjude.org slash ATP, we will hopefully see that things
⏹️ ▶️ Casey are happening. Indeed they are. As we record, thanks to the three of us, we are now
⏹️ ▶️ Casey at $69,711 raised, with a lifetime total of $4,132,251.90.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Look at us go. Do we not have the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey leaderboard? Or there, we do have the leaderboard, and none of us are on it. So what are you gonna do? I’m on it.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey We’re all on it. Are we? Oh, I guess I gotta reload then. Yeah. Did Marco donate like $35,000 or something to show us up? Yeah, that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John what I’m checking. I gotta buy air conditioning. Yeah.
⏹️ ▶️ John So congratulations to you both. I intentionally tried, I was trying to let Casey win this year, but you know what?
⏹️ ▶️ John Marco’s just got to go and ruin the whole game.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So the top donors, Tiff and Marco Arment, $7,778.88. For Aaron and myself, $7,143.03.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And John, not Tina, apparently, just John, is $7,027 even. So there you go.
⏹️ ▶️ John let Casey win. We gotta let Casey win one year.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey I’ve won a whole bunch years.
⏹️ ▶️ John And then last year, Marco was like, I’m just going to do 7100 to just win the game. And he did. And I thought this
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco year, I thought I did 7777.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I thought you did 71
⏹️ ▶️ John last year. I don’t remember. And I was trying to like Casey when and I was trying to like Casey when again, this he’s never going
⏹️ ▶️ John to win. We have to let him win one year.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I actually did look at how much I donated last year because I didn’t want to repeat it because my my schtick is 143 for
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I love you in honor of Aaron. And then in this time I did the three cents for for the three, you know, Aaron and the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey two kids. But last year I did $7,001.43. So
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I thought I was big spender this year, apparently not.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. I thought you were gonna win this year, Casey. I was rooting for you, but- Well, thanks, John. There’s no beating Marco.
⏹️ ▶️ John Also, you’re just inflating our donations. So
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco we’ll add all this up.
⏹️ ▶️ John But anyway, this is the, Marco, we’ll talk about the Marco offset in a second, but this is the Mac Pro offset, even
⏹️ ▶️ John though those two didn’t buy Mac Pros.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yes. But now we can, guilt-free. That is true. I could, but I would not recommend it currently.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So, the total for ATP for this year between the three of us, $21,948.91. And
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m very happy and proud of that. So let me spend a little time to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey remind you what are we doing here. And I think one of the best ways I can do that is by reading
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a letter from a listener. And David wrote us, long-time listener, first time St. Jude’s contributor.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey In April, our nine-year-old was diagnosed with a very rare brain tumor, diffuse leptomeningeal
⏹️ ▶️ Casey glioneuronal tumor. I think I got that close to right. We have great treatment at the Children’s Hospital
⏹️ ▶️ Casey of Los Angeles, but the research being done at St. Jude on this type of tumor has led to a better prognosis
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for our son. Let me repeat that for emphasis. The research being done at St. Jude’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on this type of tumor has led to a better prognosis for our son.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey We reached out to St. Jude’s and they wisely said there’s no reason to bring him here unless – or to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Memphis, that is – unless there’s a specific trial to get on, given that we are within 45 minutes of a world-class
⏹️ ▶️ Casey hospital. What I appreciate about St. Jude is that a number of their published papers are published under the Creative
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Commons Share with Attribution licenses. They also have a great resource of open data
⏹️ ▶️ Casey at pecan.stjude.cloud. That is a real URL. I have tried it. Even
⏹️ ▶️ Casey though I can’t make heads or tails about this data, knowing that they openly share so much with the research community
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is wonderful. I couldn’t agree more. So, you know, beyond all that,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s worth noting that this is the time where we try to all
⏹️ ▶️ Casey come together and achieve St. Jude’s goal, which is that no child should die in the dawn of life.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And I think that there’s, I’m hard-pressed to find a better goal than that.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And even better, perhaps, is their slogan for this year, perhaps forever,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey let’s give these children more tomorrows, which is such a perfect slogan. St. Jude is a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey research hospital. They do, as David noted, share most, if not all of their research
⏹️ ▶️ Casey with the medical community. They share it domestically, they share it internationally. And
⏹️ ▶️ Casey all of the treatments that they give when they do actually actively treat a child, they do
⏹️ ▶️ Casey this with no concern for the parents as to how they’re gonna get to Memphis, where they’re gonna
⏹️ ▶️ Casey stay, how are they gonna pay for all this. It’s all paid for by people like
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you who have donated money. And maybe you haven’t donated 7,000, maybe you’ve donated 14,000, maybe
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you’ve donated 140,000, maybe you’ve only donated 14 bucks. And you know what,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I say only, but that’s not only, that’s excellent because 14 is better than zero. So now
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is the time of year where we are all probably going to be participating or many of us will be
⏹️ ▶️ Casey participating in conspicuous capitalism. And if you wanna feel less guilty
⏹️ ▶️ Casey about that and gosh darn it, you should, you can utilize the Marco offset. Marco, can you describe
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the Marco Offset please?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I sure can. All right, so here’s the thing. You wanna buy the new iPhones and stuff that are
⏹️ ▶️ Marco about to be released next week or at least announced next week. So you’re gonna look at that and you’re gonna say, hey,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I want that new sexy phone, watch, AirPods, whatever, but I have a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco working phone and it’s fine. Or I need to buy a new phone because my phone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco actually is broken or terrible, but I should be responsible and I should get
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the base model. I should get the regular iPhone 17 or 26, whatever it’s gonna be called or whatever.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco You can think that way, but we all know, you’re not going to, we all know that many of you out there,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco when you buy a new whatever or whatevers next week, we know
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that some of those are gonna be discretionary purchases. And you know what? I say,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s fine. Live a little. You work hard for your money. You’re probably professional
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in some field. Why not? Treat yourself to a nice phone, AirPods, watch,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco strap, whatever, you know. If you have that kind of discretionary money to make these kind of purchases, you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco can do so guilt-free by assuaging your guilt with a donation to St. Jude. Now,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco how much should you donate? A good baseline is if you were able to do this discretionary
⏹️ ▶️ Marco tech purchase, you take the difference between the base price,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the very cheapest amount you could have spent on the thing that you were looking at, So the price of like the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco cheapest iPhone without sales tax, without shipping, without AppleCare, without a case, without storage upgrades.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And then whatever you paid in total for your entire purchase, with all those things
⏹️ ▶️ Marco included, tax, case, whatever, you know, all the AppleCare, all that stuff. You subtract those two,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco do the absolute value, because I told you how to do it backwards. So take the absolute value of what I just told you, and that’ll fix it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And that’s the Marco offset. That is the minimum donation that I suggest
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for your St. Jude donation this year, this month or this week. So, take that to, so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if you, if you spend $1,000 and the base price is $800, that’s a $200 minimum suggested donation. That’s how this works. So, I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco suggest you do whatever
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you want after the event next year. Buy whatever you want. Get, get the good one. Upgrade
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to the Air Plus Max and get the, get the three terabyte option if you can. Like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco get the chest strap with the Hermes leather. Get the AppleCare 3. Go all out.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Blow it out. Get everything and then make a nice donation to Sainst Jude.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Exactly right. And so here’s the thing. We are going to be doing a 12-hour telethon,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we like to call the podcast-a-thon, and we’ll be doing that on Friday, the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey 19th of September, which is likely to be the day that iPhones come out. We will be doing it from noon until midnight, one
⏹️ ▶️ Casey true time zone. And we’re encouraging and inviting the Relay and ATP communities to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey continue this incredible generosity that you’ve shown over the last seven years. And once again, make a donation to support the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey life-saving mission of St. Jude. Go to stjude.org.atp
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to make your donation today. You can also learn about employee matching, ahem. Particularly if you’re
⏹️ ▶️ Casey someone who works at an orchard, I hear that they’re very easy to get employer matching. You can also set
⏹️ ▶️ Casey up a fundraiser of your own if you want to encourage others to donate. And like we talked about already, there’s some awesome incentives.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So, please, let’s give these children more tomorrows. Let’s cure childhood cancer
⏹️ ▶️ Casey together because no child should die in the dawn of life. Thank you.org.atp. Thank you so much.
iOS Safari’s “compact” toolbar
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, we’ll do some follow-up. And I wanted to briefly talk about, I meant to bring this up a week
⏹️ ▶️ Casey or two back. I have thoughts about the compact iOS Safari controls.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So if you recall, I think they floated this, an iOS, major iOS version
⏹️ ▶️ Casey or two ago, and then they reneged, but it’s back, baby. And so now by default,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey when you upgrade to iOS 26, if you look at Safari, your toolbar at
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the bottom is very different than it used to be. It’s what they call compact. And the way that works
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is there’s a back button on the left, a little itty bitty, or at least on my phone, a little
⏹️ ▶️ Casey itty bitty URL bar in the middle that also has reload and extension buttons within it, and then
⏹️ ▶️ Casey an ellipsis on the right-hand side. I tried this for about a week, and I absolutely
⏹️ ▶️ Casey hated it immediately. And the reason I hate it is I think what Marco brought up a little while ago, in that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you can’t easily get to your other tabs. It’s like two tabs or three tabs or something like that. I forget exactly how
⏹️ ▶️ Casey many it was, but it was too many, two tabs, I believe. I didn’t like it. Then somebody pointed out, and I think
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Marco might’ve brought up in the show, that what you can do is if you aim just so, you can
⏹️ ▶️ Casey drag the URL bar up and get to all your tabs. And I thought, okay, I’m gonna stick with this. That’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey what I’m gonna do. I still don’t like it. And so what I’ve decided
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is I’m going to go back to the bottom toolbar, which you get to by going into settings
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and then apps and then Safari. And then if you scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, there is a section called
⏹️ ▶️ Casey tabs and you can choose compact, bottom or top, which is like the OG version of the Safari
⏹️ ▶️ Casey tabs. I dig the bottom option and that’s what I’m doing. And I just wanted to call that to your attention
⏹️ ▶️ Casey because that is something that you’ll probably want to change if you’re anything like me.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I also, I did try the compact one of like, when the betas first came out,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I tried to live with it for, I think a week or two. And I just, I hated it so much
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because it was so cumbersome to really to go between tabs and closed tabs and open. Like it was just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the most common operations you do in Safari I found were too clunky. So I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco switched to bottom, like with the old style, all the buttons across the bottom. And
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like about two thirds of the way through the summer I switched back. I’m like, let me just try it. Cause
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, I do try generally to try to use my phone in a reasonably default
⏹️ ▶️ Marco state. And it’s for multiple reasons. Like sometimes it’s just easier. Like, you know, like the default
⏹️ ▶️ Marco state tends to get most testing. It tends to have the fewest bugs, you know, because that’s like the path
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that most Apple resources are devoted to. Most of their internal employees
⏹️ ▶️ Marco use the defaults. And so, like, I try to keep things on default for general computing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco happiness much of the time. But that one, I just couldn’t bear. Like, I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco went back again, and I lasted, I think, a day before I switched back the second time.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like, I was like, forget this. It was similar to the scroll
⏹️ ▶️ Marco direction on Macs. You know, I still use the old scroll direction that all computers
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey Oh, you monster.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And when they first introduced the natural scroll direction, at first I was like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I better switch because I’m gonna have to get used to this someday and I don’t want to be caught off guard by it, so I might as well
⏹️ ▶️ Marco switch now. And I think maybe even John Syracuse, I think,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco told me like, why switch when you have to like what might as well enjoy
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it now while you can the old way and so you know what I switched right back and I’ve been happy
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ever since doing it the old way and it’s been fine and if I ever do need to switch
⏹️ ▶️ Marco okay fine I will but I haven’t yet and that was I think over a decade ago
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and it’s still fine.
⏹️ ▶️ John I’ll probably I’ll probably write it not in sandbox Mac app to change it back. I’m pretty stuck
⏹️ ▶️ John of my ways there, although I will echo what you said, like when they changed Safari from having the address bar at the
⏹️ ▶️ John top to having at the bottom, I left it that way for the same reason you just said. It’s like, I would prefer to use
⏹️ ▶️ John it in the default mode and let me try this, maybe I’ll like it better. Phones are bigger, like I understood, like, and it did
⏹️ ▶️ John take me a long time to get used to it, but I stuck with it because if I can stick with the new setting,
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m willing to give it a shot. And if it’s about the same, I would prefer to use the default way,
⏹️ ▶️ John but natural scrolling is not about the same. It’s terrible and I hate it.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, you’re both wrong. I appreciate
⏹️ ▶️ John your wrong opinions. My address bar is on the bottom, still on the bottom in Safari. I will probably try
⏹️ ▶️ John the compact one just like you two did, and I’ll see how it goes. But like I’m I’m not for like, oh, you should
⏹️ ▶️ John never change your settings, keep them the way they’ve always been. I’m always willing to try the new thing because who knows it could be better.
⏹️ ▶️ John But sometimes for whatever reasons, it doesn’t click with people. And so it sounds like compact
⏹️ ▶️ John is not clicking for you to know.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco much. It’s too many extra clicks. And people say like, oh, yeah, you can swipe up. But yeah, but you know what
⏹️ ▶️ Marco there’s a very common gesture where you swipe up from the bottom of the phone It’s a little hard like to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco get that exactly right every single time and
⏹️ ▶️ John they added the type to Siri if you have that enabled Yes, double tapping on the little bar So there’s a lot going on in that
⏹️ ▶️ John time that bottom one centimeter of the phone screen, so it’s kind of busy
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, exactly and like it’s like yes if I ever am forced to use that mode
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Fine I will get better at that gesture and distinguishing everything like okay but I’m
⏹️ ▶️ Marco currently not forced to so I’m not going to. But I do
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a lot of the liquid glass stuff, I feel like I need to not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco use things like the accessibility options for things like reduced transparency, reduced motion, bold
⏹️ ▶️ Marco text, increased contrast. I feel like I shouldn’t use those because I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco make an app and I need my app to look and feel right in the default way and so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I should use the default way most of the time unless I’m doing accessibility testing. But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco man, I think I might change that policy with this release because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as I was doing some of that testing, I was like, oh, actually, the way it looks with increased contrast is actually
⏹️ ▶️ Marco kinda cool. Or like, the way it looks with reduced transparency, ah, kinda
⏹️ ▶️ Marco cool, not bad, okay. So I think I might explore some of those options
⏹️ ▶️ Marco because it’s rough out there.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I just, I still can’t believe, and I knew it, but I still can’t believe you two lunatics are on unnatural scrolling.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey It just boggles my mind.
⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, keep in mind that I’m not using a trackpad or a mouse that you swipe on. I’ve just got a mouse wheel. So using a
⏹️ ▶️ John wheel in the other mode is really weird.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh, that, okay. That I will concede. Although now I want to make fun of you for using a mouse with a wheel, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John that’s either here or there.
⏹️ ▶️ John Mouse guy, what can I tell you?
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Gettin’-dirty follow-up
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, moving right along, this is perhaps my favorite topic of follow up. This is getting dirty corner.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And so we got a lot of advice for those who are, let’s say, athletically
⏹️ ▶️ Casey engaged. Well, and you don’t want to fire off Siri. Alex Ogilvie
⏹️ ▶️ Casey writes, if the iPhone is facedown, then by default, it stops listening for the activation phrase. This can be overridden
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in the accessibility settings.
⏹️ ▶️ John We had a lot of people who said that and I didn’t go and confirm it myself. Some people were saying this used to be the case and maybe
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s not or whatever, but this is first of all, this is only for the phone. So it doesn’t help with the watch and we’ll get to the watch in a second.
⏹️ ▶️ John It certainly doesn’t help with the Mac because you can’t really put those face down, although you can close the lid on your laptop if you want. But anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s this is one option. Face-down phone supposedly will stop listening for the hell word.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Indeed. Emery Meltzer writes, I use the phone sleep focus mode in our quality time.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Usually overlaps the default wind down schedule, but sometimes it’s worth turning on manually. The screen won’t wake on rays and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is less bright if touched, while the dingus won’t interrupt. I will note that depending on your specific indoor
⏹️ ▶️ Casey other activity, it’s possible to trigger the watch’s alert for a high heart rate while lying down. But at least it’ll
⏹️ ▶️ Casey be silent. You probably shouldn’t…
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Okay, well, hmm. I want to stay away from specific advice being
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John topic. However,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the high heart rate warning is usually tied to a lack of motion.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So it shouldn’t come up that much.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I have so many things and jokes I can say.
⏹️ ▶️ John There’s a wide variety of indoor activities that could be going on. So let’s just…
⏹️ ▶️ John God, this is so bad. We don’t want to speculate on what goes on in people’s…
⏹️ ▶️ Casey We might need a moratorium on this topic as much as it does make me
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John giggle. Well,
⏹️ ▶️ John there’s a lot more to go, so…
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I gotta say, I am really enjoying everyone’s euphemisms though.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Indeed. Ryan writes, it’s a simple fix for series third wheeling that I’ve used since
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the feature came out. Theater mode. Computer mode disables accidental Siri activations.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Further, if accidental taps are still a major issue for said listener, Waterlock will fix that, which I believe we brought up
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on a past show, I think. Maybe not, but anyway. Frenemy of the show, D. Griffin
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Jones, writes, for silencing Siri at inopportune moments, I wrote an article aptly titled, how to stop Siri
⏹️ ▶️ Casey from randomly activating all the damn time. And we will link to this Cult of Mac article written by D. Griffin Jones.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey On the Apple Watch, you not only need to disable Siri and Hey Siri, but you also need to disable Raise to Speak, which listens
⏹️ ▶️ Casey for a potential command anytime the screen is active and doesn’t need a trigger phrase at all.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Also, during Intimate Aerobics, it’s possible the digital crown is being held down accidentally. You
⏹️ ▶️ Casey can go to the Watch app and then Siri to disable Raise to Speak, set Listen for to Off,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and turn on Press Digital Crown. Niv Ben-Pirath writes, Intimate Aerobics can be added
⏹️ ▶️ Casey directly to the Health app. Not sure if there’s an activity for it. Sure enough, there’s a sexual activity
⏹️ ▶️ Casey section in the Health app. That’s what we’re talking about? Oh my God! Yeah, who knew? And coming back
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to Deke Griffin-Jones, doing this tells the health app that intimate aerobics happened, but it does not add any calories
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to your rings. Womp womp. People really want credit. Shoot, I would. Anyways,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey all right, so then possibly the perfect topper, this perfect cap to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey all this, and I think we can put it to bed after this, is Anonymous, who writes,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a friend of mine just nearly had adult nap time prematurely terminated by an unwelcome visit from the local
⏹️ ▶️ Casey police. Apparently his five-year-old son decided that an unsupervised phone was a perfect chance to dial 911 10 times in a row.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Why was the phone in the child’s reach? After a notable incident where Siri attempted to initiate a menage
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a trois, it was decided that the phones and watches should be exiled to the top of the fridge during parental Olympics.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey But as all nerds know, unsupervised electronics are a powerful lure and his son is definitely a
⏹️ ▶️ Casey little nerd. The child in question undertook Herculean, or is it Herculean? I always get it wrong.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John One of them.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Herculean, there we go. of gymnastics to reach the top of the fridge, retrieve the phone, and engage
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in this admittedly rigorous 911 experimentation. My buddy and his wife are mortified, but elated
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that the police didn’t show up five minutes earlier. Incredible, just incredible. And now we can put this
Product-sense book rec
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Joseph Keeb writes with a suggestion for Ian Anderson’s Ask ATP question, which was regarding
⏹️ ▶️ Casey resources for developing products since Joseph writes, the advisor mentor of a friend of mine, who is a business
⏹️ ▶️ Casey school professor, wrote this book, Productive Tensions by Christopher B. Bingham and Rory M. McDonald,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey How Every Leader Can Tackle Innovation’s Toughest Trade-offs. And we’ll put a link to the MIT Press where
⏹️ ▶️ Casey this apparently can be found. When I was looking this up to grab the link, I was amused that Jobs got a call out in the blurb.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Quote, should leaders aim for Steve Jobs level genius, shower their projects with resources, or
⏹️ ▶️ Casey lean in to luck and embrace uncertainty. None of the above, say Christopher Bingham and Rory McDonald.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I work or have worked in leadership roles of VC-backed startups, and this is one of the best things I’ve read in years.
⏹️ ▶️ John I guess there are books on this topic, we just didn’t know them. So thank you, Joseph, for sending one in.
iPhone 16 Pro exit interview
⏹️ ▶️ Casey It is that time of year. It is one of my favorite segments to do on the show It is something that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Marco came up with I want to say three or four years ago. Maybe Marco Can you introduce this for us, please?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yes, as you all know, I have worked in so many big corporate jobs
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I I have managed so many people I’ve been in so many hiring and supervising roles
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That I am very familiar with the trappings of big company life and of course
⏹️ ▶️ Marco human resources, also one of my specialties. And one of the things that you often get
⏹️ ▶️ Marco at a big company when somebody is quitting, you might have an exit interview.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And you might say, hey, you know, we just wanna know like, you know, what, in retrospect, like how did this go for you?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco What, how could we improve maybe? You know, what could, you know, what do you think we can do better for,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, future, you know, people who work here or, you know, why did you choose to leave? Like, you know, things
⏹️ ▶️ John that. Are we going to make the iPhone 16 sign a non-disparagement agreement?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So, uh, as Casey mentioned a few years back, I started, uh, having us do
⏹️ ▶️ Marco exit interviews right before, um, the new iPhone is introduced for the outgoing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco model. So, you know, most people are so focused on whatever is the new one
⏹️ ▶️ Marco coming that we don’t really talk about like, Hey, like a few months or years into owning
⏹️ ▶️ Marco something, like how was it in retrospect? That’s what this segment is. So on the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco eve of the iPhone 16 lineup getting replaced, Casey and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I have, John, you don’t have one, right? This
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John one? I do, I’ve got a 16 Pro.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s right, okay, this was your, I lose track of your phone years. Same, even number. Okay.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So we all have iPhone 16s Pro, and so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco how have they been?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think for me, mine has been pretty good, although it has not been perfect.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey This past weekend, we went back to our neighborhood pool for the final time to do
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Labor Day, which is when most pools in America tend to shut down. And so I spent all
⏹️ ▶️ Casey day outside on what was not an exceedingly warm day, but it was a sunny day. And the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey same thing that has plagued iPhones for the last two or three years, or potentially even more, plagues my iPhone 16 Pro.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey It is better in the 16 Pro than it has been, but it’s still not great. And what that is, is if you
⏹️ ▶️ Casey use your phone in direct sunlight for more than about 30 seconds, it goes from very bright
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to slightly bright to I can see it to is it on to, oh
⏹️ ▶️ Casey no, it’s useless. And this all happens in the span of one to two minutes. And it used
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to be almost instant that it jumped from, yes, I can see, oh no, nevermind. But
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it’s now gotten to the point that it takes a couple of minutes. But that is my number one far and away gripe with my
⏹️ ▶️ Casey phone is that if I try to use it in the summer, outside in direct sunlight,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it is nigh impossible to use it for more than just a couple of minutes. And I’ve understood that this can also affect video
⏹️ ▶️ Casey capture. And I’ve not personally witnessed this, but my understanding is if the thing gets too hot, it will
⏹️ ▶️ Casey also be unable to, or unwilling perhaps, to record high frame rate
⏹️ ▶️ Casey video. It just drives me bananas. I have a couple other minor things to whine about and then some complimentary things
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to say, but Marco, as someone who lives at the beach in the summer, do you also find this to be a problem?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I find it to be a problem lots of places lots of times. I mean even just in the car
⏹️ ▶️ Marco You know anywhere that you are outside I mean even like you know on walks, you know if I’m outside in the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco summertime if I’m using my phone You know I’m like, you know looking stuff up or reading something on the walk.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean like I’m gonna face this problem Certainly as I’m if I like, you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know Take the train in the summer and I have I’m using my phone just sitting next to me
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the seat just for tethering screen that will often make the phone go into
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like the high thermal level thresholds and start backing off
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the screen or not charging past you know seventy five or eighty percent or whatever it like and so the point
⏹️ ▶️ Marco we’re like so all summer I’ve you know whenever I like you know take the train or the ferry somewhere
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey I’m making your fan
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of course I am I have and it’s it’s I mean this is a ridiculous thing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so I plug in two cables to my MacBook 0.1 cable
⏹️ ▶️ Marco goes to the fan that has the the thermoelectric Peltier element and so I have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like the Peltier fan which is an absurd way to keep a phone cool because it’s so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco insanely wasteful power but it does work and then I have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a second cable plugged into the phone to keep itself charged while I’m using it as my
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know tethering modem for like an entire train or ferry ride. And so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it does work. It destroys the laptop battery to be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John powering both
⏹️ ▶️ Marco these things, especially that fan. It’s, you know, after like, you know, an hour on the train or something, like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it takes away like a quarter or a third of the MacBook’s battery. But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it does work and nothing else does. If you don’t use the cooling fan in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that configuration, the the phone will keep tethering, but it will
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not charge itself. At least, you know, it won’t go past like 75 or 80%. And that’s just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sitting on the seat next to me, not even being actively used. So the screen of the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco phone is off and it still can’t keep itself from being
⏹️ ▶️ Marco warm if like any internal parts are being used. So I would say absolutely,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the iPhone 16 Pro has horrendous thermals. Now, we’ll talk about
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this in a little bit, you know, the 17 Pro is rumored to have this vapor chamber thing that we talked
⏹️ ▶️ Marco about last week, but I don’t think that’s going to help this particular problem
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in isolation. Because what you’re doing, like, the iPhone 16
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Pro is generating a lot of heat, and it needs like pretty
⏹️ ▶️ Marco active cooling to keep itself from doing that. The vapor chamber does not make the phone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco generate less heat. It just is possibly a more effective way to move the heat
⏹️ ▶️ Marco off of the SoC into something that will dissipate it, like the back casing of the phone or whatever, you know.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It somehow dissipate the heat into some larger mass or the air. That’s the point. So it can move
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the heat better, which helps. Like you do need the heat to be moved. But the way to solve
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this problem is to have the phone create less heat in the first place. Because if you’re just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco moving the heat to the case more effectively, the 16 Pro is already very
⏹️ ▶️ Marco hot in your hand. So that might not be the main problem there. The main problem might just be it’s making too
⏹️ ▶️ Marco much heat. And phones, unless you have my ridiculous fan kind of thing, phones don’t have active
⏹️ ▶️ Marco cooling. Like there’s no fan blowing air. So you’re just dependent on radiating the heat
⏹️ ▶️ Marco out, you know, out of the case into the air. One major problem with that though
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is cases. People will stick another case around
⏹️ ▶️ Marco their phone pretty commonly. And that acts as a giant insulator of heat.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I think the best way to solve this kind of problem
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is not to increase the cooling system inside the phone, because all you can
⏹️ ▶️ Marco do is move the heat faster outside, but there’s nowhere for it to go for most people’s,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, with cases around their phones. So the better solution to this is to have chips that don’t use that much power.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That is ultimately the solution that we actually need, is lower thermal
⏹️ ▶️ Marco peaks of these guts of these phones.
⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, they’re always trying to increase the process density and have them use less power and all that stuff. And we’ve been on three nanometer
⏹️ ▶️ John for a while and we’ll continue to be. So there hasn’t been any changes for the past few years. But I will say
⏹️ ▶️ John that moving the heat is actually a really important part because I’m not sure about the screen, but for
⏹️ ▶️ John the SoC itself, the big problem has been for a decade now, not so much
⏹️ ▶️ John the total amount, but how concentrated it is in some very tiny areas on the SoC. So merely
⏹️ ▶️ John moving it one centimeter away from where it originated can help the SoC not have to
⏹️ ▶️ John throttle down Because it’s not so much the total amount of heat It’s the fact that it’s all concentrated around this
⏹️ ▶️ John tiny region of the SoC where the GPU is when you’re playing a game or something So moving it even just a
⏹️ ▶️ John little tiny bit actually is a huge win for sustained Throughput
⏹️ ▶️ John on the SoC. I don’t know why the screens are going off I would imagine that has to do with the screen itself and
⏹️ ▶️ John nothing to do with like I don’t think the first of all I don’t think the vapor chamber thing is supposed to be cooling the screen
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know if the screen is a thing gets hot is it the display controller like I don’t know I don’t know what the Deal is with the screen, but for the SoC.
⏹️ ▶️ John I think it’s very much like it has been for many years now, which is Concentrated areas of heat
⏹️ ▶️ John if you could just disperse that or move it like an inch away That lets you not
⏹️ ▶️ John have to throttle the SoC as much anyway We’ll see like it’s not it’s not like Apple’s the first person to put a vapor chamber cooler
⏹️ ▶️ John on a phone Android phones have had them for ages now And apparently they are useful and having an aluminum
⏹️ ▶️ John case will also help but Casey had said that the 16 pro was better than his Predecessor predecessor phones for
⏹️ ▶️ John the screen dimming although still unacceptable. So it seems like they’re moving in the right direction I can’t imagine
⏹️ ▶️ John the vapor chamber hurting I also can’t imagine the much larger volume of aluminum in the new phones hurting
⏹️ ▶️ John but again We’ll talk about that when they get to the phones. But yeah the trend Seems to be in the right
⏹️ ▶️ John direction. I personally on my 16 pro I don’t know if I just don’t use it in the Sun as much as you do I think the main factor,
⏹️ ▶️ John as Marco mentioned, the car is like, you know, when I use it on like dog walks and stuff, mostly it’s in my pocket
⏹️ ▶️ John playing podcast occasionally I take it out to change tracks or answer a phone call or something like that. Um,
⏹️ ▶️ John I guess it’s, I’m not in direct sunlight long enough for it to matter. I do take my phone to the beach. I have used
⏹️ ▶️ John it at the beach, but at the beach I’m under a beach umbrella. So it’s also fine there. But in the car, uh,
⏹️ ▶️ John my non fancy car has a, uh, phone mount, a magsafe phone mount clip to the ventilation
⏹️ ▶️ John thing. And in the summertime, the air conditioner is blowing literally directly on the back of my phone. So
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t need a Peltier cooler. My entire car’s air conditioner is blasting cold air. My
⏹️ ▶️ John phone is cold when I take it off the back seat mount from the air conditioner blasting on it. So
⏹️ ▶️ John maybe that’s why I don’t have the problem in the car. But yeah, I would imagine advances,
⏹️ ▶️ John further advances in screen technology to make the screen take less power, helping like the whole thing of letting the
⏹️ ▶️ John screen go down to one Hertz and having these, the new OLED screen technology, all of that is probably
⏹️ ▶️ John helping, but I honestly just don’t know what it is that’s causing the screen to dim. If it’s heat from the screen
⏹️ ▶️ John itself, if it’s from the display controller and the SoC, or it’s from something else, or it’s just total,
⏹️ ▶️ John like Marco was saying, total heat inside the phone because the sun is beating down on the whole thing and there’s
⏹️ ▶️ John nowhere, it gets like heat soaked essentially. I’m not entirely sure, but I’m sure people will be pointing thermal cameras
⏹️ ▶️ John at the new iPhones to let us know, but it seems like, I mean, I’m not, we’ll put it this way, Casey,
⏹️ ▶️ John if we had not had any rumors of the new iPhone having vapor chamber, this still would have been your main complaint about the 16
⏹️ ▶️ John Pro, right? Yeah, I think so. So it’s just, I mean, it’s just, it’s not a new problem.
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s just more relevant this year because we think at the Apple event, Apple will
⏹️ ▶️ John finally talk about something that might address this factor, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yeah. I mean, I’ve been fussing about this for the last several years, and I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey think that I will continue to fuss about it until it gets better. You know, the whining will continue until morale
⏹️ ▶️ John whatever. Chatroom asks whether the thermals on the non-pro are better. I would have to imagine so just because the non-pro
⏹️ ▶️ John chip is less powerful, less power hungry. But I don’t have, I don’t actually
⏹️ ▶️ John have a 16 non-pro. My kids have non-pro phones. In my experience, they have been cooler than the pro
⏹️ ▶️ John phones that my wife and I have always had. But maybe that varies from year to year.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Moving on from whining about thermals, I would say that generally speaking,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I really, really do like this phone. The battery life on mine is not stellar, but I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey have a strong suspicion that that’s a software issue. Like I’m running something or,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey you know, so there’s something backgrounded that’s run amok or something like that. I really don’t think that’s a phone problem.
⏹️ ▶️ John Did you check the battery thing, if that’s your suspicion?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’ve glanced at it from here and there, and there’s nothing obvious that jumps out at me. I should probably just reset
⏹️ ▶️ Casey my phone or whatever. I’ll do that one day, but today’s not that day. I mean,
⏹️ ▶️ John I feel like if there was
⏹️ ▶️ John run away, I think we’re past the days where things could be eating your battery and have no visibility whatsoever,
⏹️ ▶️ John except for in rare cases, but who knows?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I don’t know. But again, that’s a half-hearted complaint at most. But other than
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that, I mean, I really, really, really like this phone. I like the camera control a lot. And I think I’m
⏹️ ▶️ Casey also stealing what was said on upgrade, but I like the camera control a lot and I would not want to give it up. However,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey almost the only way I use it is as an activation for the camera app and as a shutter.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I do use it a fair bit for a shutter, and I absolutely, that is the way I get into the camera on my phone, is I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey mash on the camera control button. But the amount of times I’ve done that like press and slide
⏹️ ▶️ Casey dance, I thought I was gonna do that all the time. It’s way too finicky for my tastes, and so I do
⏹️ ▶️ Casey it almost never. But that being said, if you took away the button in its entirety, I would be very
⏹️ ▶️ Casey sad. If it was just a literal button and not the whole slidey apparatus, I think that would be
⏹️ ▶️ Casey fine. And I really, really do like the camera control button. And I also like having the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey action button. I have set, and I think it was Marco that gave me this idea, I have the action button set to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey flashlight because I’m old and it’s incredibly convenient. And now that I
⏹️ ▶️ Casey have the camera control button for the camera, I don’t need to use the action button for the camera anymore. So
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I freaking love this setup. I really, truly do. There’s no sarcasm there. And I’m really
⏹️ ▶️ Casey happy with that. Additionally, accepting the time when this fell out of my pocket from
⏹️ ▶️ Casey waist height in Aaron’s car, which is 100% my fault. And I would never
⏹️ ▶️ Casey expect a phone to survive that fall without a case on it. This has been extremely robust, extremely
⏹️ ▶️ Casey durable. Again, I’m really happy with it. I think the camera system is great. I’m sure it can be
⏹️ ▶️ Casey better in some ways. I don’t get as bothered by the macro switch over as Mike
⏹️ ▶️ Casey does, which doesn’t mean he’s wrong. It’s just, I don’t, I’m not nearly as bothered by it as he is.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All in all, I really, really, really like this phone. I like the look of the natural titanium. I am a little scared
⏹️ ▶️ Casey about them going back to aluminum. I’m not sure if that’s going to be better or worse, but I really, really
⏹️ ▶️ Casey enjoy this phone quite a bit, and I’m very, very happy with it. Marco, thoughts?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco You know, so similar, you know, we talked about the heat, and I am far less
⏹️ ▶️ Marco optimistic than John about whether the vapor chamber will solve the problems, because I think, frankly,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that the problem is not the SoC overheating and throttling. I think the problem is the entire phone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco decides we have too much heat in here. Start shutting things down.
⏹️ ▶️ John Well, one of the problems is that if like, for example, you’re a gamer, you will see that the SoC will throttle when
⏹️ ▶️ John a certain number of minutes. Like I said, I don’t think the vapor chamber is gonna help with the screen because I don’t even know what’s causing that.
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s probably just heat soak of the whole phone.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco But even though
⏹️ ▶️ John you may not care about the SoC throttling, if you were like an iPhone gamer or something, your frame rates die after
⏹️ ▶️ John two minutes into playing, you’ll probably care. Although honestly, those gamers should probably get your little fan thing.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh, they should absolutely get my little fan thing. I’m pretty sure everyone who buys my little fan thing as a gamer except me.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is tethering on a ferry. It’s pretty much just me. Yeah, so anyway,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and I think it’s just overall, like when you see the screen dimming in regular use out in the summertime,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think that’s just the phone is too hot and it’s trying to conserve, it’s trying
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to rescue its thermal state by doing things like, hey, let’s dim the screen, not because the screen can’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco operate in hot temperatures, but because having the backlight this bright is generating heat that we can get rid of.
⏹️ ▶️ John No backlight. Oh, right. It’s OLED. Well,
⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, there kind of is in each pixel, but anyway, whatever.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, yeah, fair. But yeah, like it’s the generation of the light in the display is creating
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Yeah, because
⏹️ ▶️ John OLEDs do generate heat. Like they’re not magic.
⏹️ ▶️ John the brighter you make them, the more heat there is. That’s one of the things that contributes to burn it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. Um, so, so as for the rest of the 16 pro, you know, look, all iPhones
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are pretty good most of the time these days. And so these are very minor complaints
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the grand scheme of things. I do wish the phone was, was,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t say thinner, but I do wish the phone was lighter. The phones are not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco as heavy as the, I believe that was at the end
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. Like those were heavier, but this phone is still, it’s still a heavy phone.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And like, I don’t notice it as much in the winter months when I’m wearing like, you know, jeans,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but you certainly notice it when you’re wearing shorts in the summertime. And I know shorts are a compromise in lots
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of ways. They certainly are not attractive. They certainly are
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not as functional in certain ways. However, I expect comfort from at least my phone.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like, if I’m going to look stupid wearing shorts, at least my phone can feel good in my pocket.
⏹️ ▶️ John Why do you have to get shorts? Shorts are fine.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco They’re not. It’s impossible to look good wearing shorts, especially if you are short yourself.
⏹️ ▶️ John All right, well, anyway, I also sort of rate the quality of my
⏹️ ▶️ John shorts, how well they stand up to a phone being in one of the front pockets because
⏹️ ▶️ John some of my shorts just like the waistband isn’t up to the task and it kind of like tugs it down, but
⏹️ ▶️ John other ones hold firm and also to Casey’s point about dropping his thing out of his pocket. I do
⏹️ ▶️ John want a pocket that can completely swallow the phone and yes, I know this is way worse for women’s shorts.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Oh yeah, I mean yeah, women’s clothing in general is generally not made to have pockets
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that are useful at all or even exist. But uh, and you to be fair, you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have a more shorts compatible body type than I do. Um, when,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are, when you are yourself, not super long legged, uh, shorts are unflattering to say
⏹️ ▶️ John I will see do you on this fashion thing. This is not something that had ever occurred to me.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah. Like at least in recent years, uh, shorts have gotten shorter by, by fashion. And so
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So if, look, fellow short men out there, get the shortest shorts you can tolerate
⏹️ ▶️ Marco fashion-wise because they will make your legs look less short. And for God’s sake,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco don’t get cargo anything, ever. Get rid of cargo and shorten them and they will look less
⏹️ ▶️ Marco stupid. However, shorts always look a little bit stupid. But anyway, what I’m looking for out
⏹️ ▶️ Marco of the 17 is basically what I didn’t get out of the 16. I want weight savings basically in the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco phone so it’s not such a brick flopping around in my pocket. ideally
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it would also you know help with the with those thermal issues and ideally I know this is kind of competing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with other things I would love a better telephoto camera I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco really don’t like the 5x camera but I am not like as I waffle about whether I should
⏹️ ▶️ Marco get the air we’ll see what happens when you know with whatever they announced next week but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I checked like I took 414 pictures with the 5x camera in the past year That’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not nothing. And when I look at those pictures on my Mac, like on a big screen,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they’re terrible. They’re just, they’re not good pictures. They’re so much lower
⏹️ ▶️ Marco quality than what I get out of the 1x lens. It’s night and day difference.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like the 1x pictures are pretty respectable. The 5x pictures, they only
⏹️ ▶️ Marco look good when they’re small. Like if you even just show them full screen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on an iPhone, It’s it’s pretty rough and they certainly don’t don’t stand up to full screen on anything
⏹️ ▶️ John But here’s here’s the actual comparison though for the 5x, which is why it exists
⏹️ ▶️ John What it’s competing against is the thing that we all see where someone is their kid is up on stage playing
⏹️ ▶️ John the clarinet And they bring up their phone on the one and only 1x camera or whatever
⏹️ ▶️ John and what do they do? They pinch to zoom until they do a digital zoom of like 20x And
⏹️ ▶️ John then they take a picture and compared to that the 5x looks amazing Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey this is Aaron every time and it drives me absolutely
⏹️ ▶️ John iPhone does the right thing. I believe it will switch to the 5x camera But like that’s what the 5x is competing against its competing against
⏹️ ▶️ John purely digital zoom from a way farther away like zoom distance And so I agree the
⏹️ ▶️ John 5x doesn’t look good But I do think it looks better than a 2x than the old 2x pinch to zoom to 5
⏹️ ▶️ John Does it look better than the old 3x pinch to zoom to 5 maybe probably still but I just see so many people
⏹️ ▶️ John Who I don’t know. They just don’t care about what the pictures look like after the fact but it’ll just zoom an insane
⏹️ ▶️ John distance by pinching on their phone and then they’ll take that picture. I’m like you might as well just take a picture of a Monet because that’s what you’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, yes, I mean and granted like I’m happy to have it when I do want
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it and what I mainly like the 5x4 like the function functionality.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I like just being able to have that kind of reach of like if something’s really far away and I want to get an okay picture of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it. that’s great, but what I really like the 5X4 is the different perspective
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it can offer on things. By being a longer lens, it treats angles and background
⏹️ ▶️ Marco compression differently, very differently than the 1X lens does. And so it’s not that I object to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco having that reach, I just wish it was, I wish I had fewer compromises.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So I am overall happy with the camera system in terms of the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco reach it has, but there’s obvious room for improvement. Like for instance, what if
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I want something that’s about 4X of a perspective? I have no good option right now. Because
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the 5X lens is too far zoomed in for that.
⏹️ ▶️ John Just take nine 5X pictures and stitch them together.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Right, and so like, you know, what I have to do if I want that is just do a 4X digital
⏹️ ▶️ Marco zoom basically on the 1X, which, you know, that starts to be pretty rough on the quality as
⏹️ ▶️ Marco well. So we’ve heard different rumors about like, you know, maybe doing some
⏹️ ▶️ Marco kind of, you know, different combination of focal lengths, maybe having
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, similar to how right now they have the 1x lens, they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco simulate a 2x by center cropping it that is not horrendous. It’s not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco good, but it’s not horrendous. So I know there’s been some rumors that maybe they’ll change
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the wide to like a 3.5 and then simulate a seven by doing the same trick on that.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think that kind of thing would ultimately be better than what we have now with the one
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and five, basically and nothing in between, but we’ll see. So anyway, back
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to the, this is a song about the iPhone 16. It’s been fine,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco except for the thermals. That’s been really bad, but otherwise it’s been a perfectly fine phone. I don’t
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have a lot of criticism about it. As usual, it’s all about the cameras for me. And
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I still don’t love the default iPhone photo rendering,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but we have so many apps now to do things like, we have Obscura, we have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Halide, we have the built-in photo styles in the iPhone camera app.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So that can get away from a lot of that stuff for you. So I don’t know. I think the iPhone 16 has been a perfectly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco serviceable phone. It’s been perfectly fine, but I’m looking forward to a lot of what you’re going to do about
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I’m trying not to jump ahead myself, but I am extremely
⏹️ ▶️ Casey intrigued by this rumored 17 Air until the rumors
⏹️ ▶️ Casey say, oh, but it’ll only have one lens. Ooh, and I know you were saying this earlier, but I don’t know if that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey a trade-off I’m willing to make. We shall see, and I don’t know. But in general,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey like I said, I very much like this phone. Marco, you seem a little bit blase about it. John, what is your exit interview?
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, to start I’ll just say like, so I keep my phones for two years. So I’m going to
⏹️ ▶️ John continue using this phone for one more year. So this is just the midway point in the life of my phone. And I have to say, like I always
⏹️ ▶️ John say, uh, for the past many years that it’s a good phone. Like we, we take it for granted that
⏹️ ▶️ John every year Apple will come out with an iPhone that will be good. And just this thing has performed the job
⏹️ ▶️ John that it needed to as a phone for me, pretty much problem free. It does all this stuff. It’s better than my previous phone.
⏹️ ▶️ John And you know, as someone who is much bigger, a much bigger fan of the Mac, I don’t take that for granted anymore. So, you know, I think
⏹️ ▶️ John we all basically agree like the iPhone, it’s a good phone. We’re picking nits here, but like
⏹️ ▶️ John in general, it’s doing its job. Um, for the specifics of the 16, I
⏹️ ▶️ John had double checked this before we came on the show of like the camera control. I’m like that was introduced on the 16 pro, right?
⏹️ ▶️ John Like that didn’t exist before because the camera control is so strange. Like in the history of, I
⏹️ ▶️ John totally forgot to mention the camera in the history of the apple things because I mean, we,
⏹️ ▶️ John we He said this when it came out, and I’ll say a year after it’s come out, and you basically said
⏹️ ▶️ John the same thing, Casey. Our position on it hasn’t changed because it is just as strange as it was
⏹️ ▶️ John then. They introduced the camera control as a new button on the phone, which is a rare thing anyway, and it has
⏹️ ▶️ John so many things that you could do with it. And this was the version 1.0. That’s why I had to check, like,
⏹️ ▶️ John was it really the 16 Pro that introduced the camera control? Because it’s got so many functions. And the other thing, the other
⏹️ ▶️ John thing that boggles my mind, in a good way, basically, is that they introduced the camera control with a million functions,
⏹️ ▶️ John and the OS came pretty quickly after release of the hardware with a million
⏹️ ▶️ John options that you could remove or disable those million functions if you didn’t want them.
⏹️ ▶️ John And kind of like Casey, what I came down to after a year of use on the camera control is,
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t want to use almost all the functions that it provides. But I will say that it
⏹️ ▶️ John is well-sized and positioned to be a better shutter control, essentially,
⏹️ ▶️ John for the camera, and that is the only thing I use the camera control for. It’s a touch-sensitive button,
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s pressure-sensitive, you can do half-presses, you can swipe. I don’t use any of that, and I slowly disable those features
⏹️ ▶️ John as I found that I wasn’t using them, because I wouldn’t use them, but then I would accidentally activate them, and then I would go into settings and disable it.
⏹️ ▶️ John Repeat until it is like the world’s most expensive single digital button press
⏹️ ▶️ John button that I use to launch the camera app and to activate the shutter, occasionally,
⏹️ ▶️ John on the camera app, which I don’t think is particularly a success of the feature. So I
⏹️ ▶️ John kind of agree with Apple trying to take some costs out of that there. Surely Apple has usage numbers. How many
⏹️ ▶️ John people are using the swipey thing? How many people are using the half press versus how many people are just mashing on that button to get to the
⏹️ ▶️ John camera? So I wonder how long that button will remain as fancy as it is, even though the rumors
⏹️ ▶️ John have it out to the 18. Still retaining all its functionality, but I want to give Apple kudos for
⏹️ ▶️ John launching a very complicated hardware thing with a million features that also providing the software to
⏹️ ▶️ John turn off those features individually, which is so un-Apple-like, because normally they introduce something simple and then build on it over
⏹️ ▶️ John years and the software lags behind, and that wasn’t the case with the camera control. I generally think it’s a failed experiment,
⏹️ ▶️ John except for the most important part, which is, should the phone have a big button in that position?
⏹️ ▶️ John And I think the answer is yes.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, like that’s about how I use it as well. Like I turned off all of the actual dynamic
⏹️ ▶️ Marco features of it. It is a button that opens the camera app. I don’t even use it as a shutter.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s just a button that opens the camera.
⏹️ ▶️ John I’d use it as a shutter occasionally, sometimes, especially if I’m like trying to take pictures when the dog is doing something cute and I
⏹️ ▶️ John only have like one hand free or whatever, I wanna get it at a weird angle. Like I’m not as good as the kids are with like, you know, the
⏹️ ▶️ John kid grip where they have the phone basically like between their pinky and their pointer finger
⏹️ ▶️ John where their thumb presses the onscreen shutter button. Have you seen kids do that? It’s very precarious, but anyway, kids have,
⏹️ ▶️ John but just like we have like save for web clause for people who, old school Photoshop people, Kids have the ability
⏹️ ▶️ John to point a phone camera at something and press the onscreen shutter button in positions
⏹️ ▶️ John that I could never do it. So I very often use the shutter button, especially like when I’m doing like left-handed or something
⏹️ ▶️ John to get your pictures of the dog or someone or something like that.
⏹️ ▶️ John I, yeah, it’s weird, but I’m glad my phone has it. The case
⏹️ ▶️ John situation was a problem. Like, you know, I finally found a case with the pass-through camera control and leather and blah,
⏹️ ▶️ John blah, blah, and I’ll have it for the next year. That’s great. I didn’t like it when it was just a big hole there. I
⏹️ ▶️ John do accidentally press it more than I thought I would, but whatever they’ve done with the accidental presses,
⏹️ ▶️ John the accidental presses basically end up being not harmful to me. I’m still taking more inadvertent screenshots
⏹️ ▶️ John than I am taking inadvertent camera shots with the camera control button. I think this is also my
⏹️ ▶️ John first film with the action button, and I went back and forth on what that was gonna be. For a while, I had it launching the camera, but the camera
⏹️ ▶️ John control took over that. So now, as I’ve said in past shows, I launched the Whole Foods app with it,
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco because I live within walking distance of Whole Foods.
⏹️ ▶️ John And to bring up the little QR code so Amazon can track everything you buy, I use
⏹️ ▶️ John the action button for that. And I could live without the action button, it’s fine. But I
⏹️ ▶️ John found a use for it that is handy for me. In terms of battery life, I tried an experiment with this
⏹️ ▶️ John phone. This is the first phone that I’ve owned that had this feature, because I think my previous hardware,
⏹️ ▶️ John the OS didn’t support this. But when I got the phone, if you go back and listen to that episode, I put it
⏹️ ▶️ John on 80% charge limit in like the battery settings. Oh. Which said don’t charge my phone to
⏹️ ▶️ John more than 80%. You can of course override that on a 24 hour basis or whatever and like do that. I did override
⏹️ ▶️ John it once or twice when I was like going on like long trips or whatever. I can’t even remember what I overrode
⏹️ ▶️ John it for. But a few times I did override it and say I want 100%. I think it was maybe when I was flying. I want 100% because I’m gonna
⏹️ ▶️ John go to the airport and do all this stuff and I’m not gonna be charging. So I think that’s the only time I’ve done it is when I’ve done
⏹️ ▶️ John airport trips. but every other time I’ve just been charging to 80%. And this is the first
⏹️ ▶️ John time at the one year mark that Apple’s iOS battery health thing says my battery health is 100%
⏹️ ▶️ John or maximum charge 100% or whatever. I’ve never had that before. Maximum capacity 100%, cycle
⏹️ ▶️ John count 204, which is low maybe for a phone that I’ve owned for a year.
⏹️ ▶️ John The way I’m able to get away with 80% charge, I don’t think most people could get away with it, but the reason I have is
⏹️ ▶️ John I work from home. When I’m in the shower, I put my phone on the charger. When I’m making
⏹️ ▶️ John dinner in the kitchen, I put my phone on the charger. Like I’m always near chargers and when I know my phone is not going to be on
⏹️ ▶️ John me, I put it on, put it onto one of the, plug it into one of the many chargers. I don’t do MagSafe
⏹️ ▶️ John charging at all, except in the car. So all of that contributes to, I’ve never
⏹️ ▶️ John had to worry about battery life. The battery is just, it’s, it seems to be infinite, but it’s mostly
⏹️ ▶️ John because of the way I’m living. But I will say that treating my battery this way,
⏹️ ▶️ John only ever charging it to 80% and maintaining the battery life is probably gonna make this a better hand-me-down
⏹️ ▶️ John phone to some kids someday than, for example, my wife’s phones where she plays Pokemon Go and slaughters the battery every
⏹️ ▶️ Casey single day. Is she still traveling with like 17 battery packs and 13 different phones? Yes,
⏹️ ▶️ John she did mention, by the way, she has an iPhone 16 non-pro for work, but she doesn’t really use it enough to comment
⏹️ ▶️ John on it, but she does say it doesn’t get as hot as her 15 pro.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco She’ll be getting a
⏹️ ▶️ John new phone this year, So we’ll see how that
⏹️ ▶️ John So anyway, I don’t think the 16 Pro has some amazing battery or anything, but I’m glad
⏹️ ▶️ John that it supports the 80% battery limit, which again, my previous two-year-old phone did not. And
⏹️ ▶️ John I would say that if you think your sort of charging regime can support
⏹️ ▶️ John this, do it because it will just make your, like on the days when I did need to go to 100%, it was like infinite
⏹️ ▶️ John battery. It was like that extra 20% was just waiting there for me to use it. It’s better for the battery not
⏹️ ▶️ John to charge it to full. It’s better for the battery not to drain it to full. So, yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ John but otherwise I’ve been happy with it. I think I’ll be perfectly happy with it for another
⏹️ ▶️ John year. I kind of feel like, I know for the past two years I’ve
⏹️ ▶️ John been complaining about the camera Mesa and I think they should solve the problem. And this year they’re gonna solve it in a weird
⏹️ ▶️ John way that I don’t really approve of, but at least they did something different. So I do feel like the 16 Pro is kind of the end of the
⏹️ ▶️ John old design of trying to pretend that the cameras are in the corner And
⏹️ ▶️ John the cameras do keep getting a little bit bigger. But anyway, I think I’ll be happy to keep this one. And I’m hoping
⏹️ ▶️ John the 18 is a more, not gonna say a more radical departure than the new phones that are coming out soon, but maybe
⏹️ ▶️ John a different departure. But yeah, overall, I’ve been happy with it and will continue to be happy with it for the next year.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Do you think the kid that gets the phone handed down to them will appreciate at all your
⏹️ ▶️ Marco battery discipline?
⏹️ ▶️ John I mean, maybe, because a lot of times we’ve handed down phones to the kids, like in the old days, we would get the battery replaced back
⏹️ ▶️ John when that was cheap to do. Like when we handed down like the iPhone 5 to some kid or something, we got a fresh
⏹️ ▶️ John battery at the Apple store before we handed it down to them because the battery was just so dead. They were so, the battery was just so tiny back
⏹️ ▶️ John when the phones were tiny like that. And they definitely appreciate it. My daughter, she’s got an iPhone 12
⏹️ ▶️ John and the battery life is so bad on that phone. I mean, she’s had it, she’s had it, she had it for four years of high
⏹️ ▶️ John school, right? I think so, that’s how far back the iPhone 12 was. Anyway, she’s getting a 17, but they’re
⏹️ ▶️ John not out yet. So she’s still using her iPhone 12 her battery life is so terrible and also her charging discipline is so
⏹️ ▶️ John terrible that it combines to her phone is constantly like running out of power. So
⏹️ ▶️ John new phones are coming to the Syracuse household very soon, just not for me.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So I’m sorry, both girls will be getting new phones but neither
⏹️ ▶️ John my son will be getting a new phone too as part of his, I don’t even remember what it’s for. I think it was like a Christmas, like
⏹️ ▶️ John a delayed Christmas present for him. So yeah, so we’re getting two iPhone 17s for the kids and a 17
⏹️ ▶️ John pro for my wife, if that’s what they end up being called.
⏹️ ▶️ John that’s the plan right now.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Neither Alex nor Kate has any desire for a pro phone?
⏹️ ▶️ John No, my daughter explicitly does not want, she doesn’t know their pro phones, but she
⏹️ ▶️ John explicitly said, when we say, hey, you’ll get a new phone, you know, you’ve had this one for high school, it’s time for your college phone, you’ll use this phone
⏹️ ▶️ John for four years of college. And she said, I do not want one of those phones that has like the three cameras
⏹️ ▶️ John on the back. She doesn’t even know they’re pro, she doesn’t know anything about them, She just knows that she does not want that many cameras on the back
⏹️ ▶️ John of the phone on account of what don’t worry You weren’t getting that one. Anyway
⏹️ ▶️ Casey What is that an aesthetic
⏹️ ▶️ John thing? Is that so I just say just offends her to have that much crap on the back of it But she sees our phones
⏹️ ▶️ John like when your parents have always had the pro phones and she just doesn’t like it Hmm,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I mean that’s fair. I’m just very surprised by that
⏹️ ▶️ John and also that I mean she doesn’t know this either But like obviously the non pro phones come in much more fun colors. Her
⏹️ ▶️ John current iPhone 12 is purple and she really likes it but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey yeah, sad times. Man, I will rejoice if the Pro phones actually get decent
⏹️ ▶️ Casey colors this year, which they won’t.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey man, that would be incredible.
⏹️ ▶️ John There might be a bronze one that’s kind of orangish.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, that’s the thing. There’s the rumors of the quote orange color, but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco knowing Apple and knowing the kind of thing, I just think there’s very little chance it’s gonna be a good orange.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m an orange snob. There’s good oranges, there’s bad oranges. I think this is gonna be like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a copper brownish.
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s like a vague copper bronze thing. Color
⏹️ ▶️ John the hardest to predict. They have all these fake models, but like colors, it’s so hard to
⏹️ ▶️ John nail them if you haven’t actually seen the phones. Put it this way, the other pro colors that are rumored
⏹️ ▶️ John are all exactly what you expect them to look like. Just, you know, grayish colors with a tiny hint of something,
⏹️ ▶️ John and the bronzest one is the most bold. I can’t imagine them making three very
⏹️ ▶️ John muted things and then one really bright orange one.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, I mean, again, if they do, But if it’s a good orange, hey, I would
⏹️ ▶️ Marco love that. I’ll eat my hat. But it doesn’t seem likely. It seems much more likely that it’s gonna be like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a brown, Shiny brown.
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iPhone 17 preview
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So let’s move on to our event preview and let’s talk iPhones 17
⏹️ ▶️ Casey maybe. What do we think? Is that going to
⏹️ ▶️ John be the name? Lots of people think it might be 26. I remember this is again, this is the type of thing that’s not going to leak.
⏹️ ▶️ John Cause. Or probably not going to leak because, uh, you know, it’s, it’s easy to keep under wraps until the last minute.
⏹️ ▶️ John I think we’ve all just been assuming is going to be 17, but I wouldn’t be offended. If it was 26, it would make perfect sense to me.
⏹️ ▶️ John It just doesn’t I’m I think that the odds are slightly in favor of being 17, but I don’t carry the way
⏹️ ▶️ Marco think 17. I would love if they switched over to 26 naming for everything that that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco would that would make a lot
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John of oh yeah I think it would be easier for everybody
⏹️ ▶️ Marco yeah but I don’t think they’re going to I think there’s like they can do it for the OS is like that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s a big deal by itself that helps a lot with you know all of our like if available statements in our code,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but I don’t think they’re going to. I think the iPhone branding is, it’s so,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s so much bigger than all of these other terms for everything else they do in terms of like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the public impact, what people think of it, how much it matters, like how familiar people are with the numbering
⏹️ ▶️ Marco scheme. Like, I don’t think they’re going to change it.
⏹️ ▶️ John I think it’s, it’s like 51 49 in favor of 17, but we’ll, we’ll find out. All
⏹️ ▶️ Casey right, so the rumors say that it’s going to have an A19 and all of the A19
⏹️ ▶️ Casey systems on chip, system on chips, whatever, will be built on the N3P process. John,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey can you remind me exactly what N3P is and where that stacks in the lineup?
⏹️ ▶️ John In the list of three nanometer processes from TSMC, N3P was like the last one in the list when they first came out with
⏹️ ▶️ John it and was originally described as the one that’s like for high performance CPUs and stuff. But
⏹️ ▶️ John basically, it’s now if you look on their website, it says this is our best three nanometer thing. It’s for for high performance,
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s for lower power. It’s just, it’s the latest, greatest, best one. These will be the first phone chips
⏹️ ▶️ John built in that process, I believe. And so that bodes well for performance and all the other things.
⏹️ ▶️ John So, you know, that’s good, thumbs up.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, allegedly 12 gigs of RAM up from eight. It will allegedly
⏹️ ▶️ Casey on at least the iPhone 17, we’re not sure about the pros, we’ll have the C1 cellular modem or an equivalent thereof.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey That’s Apple’s homegrown in-house cellular modem. that’s in the 17E, or no, 16E, I’m
⏹️ ▶️ Casey sorry, 16E. It will potentially have ProMotion and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the same screen as the iPhone 16 Pro. There is some debate as to whether or not it will have an always on screen.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, that’s the interesting thing about the rumor that it will have 120 hertz, and basically people are saying like it’ll have the exact
⏹️ ▶️ John same screen as the 16 Pro, or like the same type of screen, or the equivalent performance screen, but
⏹️ ▶️ John there’s a question mark about whether it will be always on. Not because the screen can’t do it, but maybe just
⏹️ ▶️ John as a differentiator or as a simplification of the display driver or whatever. So that’s one thing to watch
⏹️ ▶️ John for. In these preview notes, I pull these from Mac Rumors and various other sources.
⏹️ ▶️ John We’ll link to the Mac Rumors roundup of stuff. I put question marks after the ones, not
⏹️ ▶️ John that the ones that don’t have question marks aren’t questioned, because we won’t know for sure until next week, right? But the ones
⏹️ ▶️ John I put question marks after are even more questionable, let’s put it that way. So always on screen is like,
⏹️ ▶️ John maybe, I don’t know. But the other stuff is more solid than the always on screen. So I think, you know, 12
⏹️ ▶️ John gigs of RAM, C1, ProMotion A19, that’s a pretty good bet for the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It will be interesting to see, like, you know, so there’s this rumor that they’re going to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco split up the iPhone releases in the future wave. So that basically the rumor is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that this year, they’re all coming out, like, you know, the 17, 17 Pro, 17 Air,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they’re all coming out at the same time. But the rumor is that for the 18 series,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco next year, that only the Pro and Air will come
⏹️ ▶️ Marco out in the fall, and then the non-Pro iPhone 18
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and the 18E will come out in the spring together. And so therefore,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco if that is true, the 17 as the base model regular
⏹️ ▶️ Marco series phone has to actually last a year and a half this time, not just one year.
⏹️ ▶️ John It looks like it’s set to do that, like 12 gigs of RAM. Like that’s, you know, they could have left it at eight
⏹️ ▶️ John because the eight is quote unquote enough for Apple intelligence, but like A19 on N3P
⏹️ ▶️ John and the C1 cell modem in ProMotion, like if you had to pick one like non-Pro phone to last a year and a half, this is a pretty
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, apparently in the new Google Pixel phones, they talked about this, that like they bumped
⏹️ ▶️ Marco up the RAM in the new Pixel phones specifically so they can keep the on-device
⏹️ ▶️ Marco LLMs in memory, which makes them respond a lot faster. Obviously, like if you don’t have to like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco load in these multi-gig local models into RAM every time you’re using them, if they’re
⏹️ ▶️ Marco already loaded in RAM, then they can respond more quickly to things.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco For the iPhones this year to be rumored to go up from eight gigs to 12
⏹️ ▶️ Marco gigs, seemingly across the whole line, that could be for a similar reason.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like that could be like the local models can be both bigger to begin with maybe,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but also you can keep more of them loaded in RAM all the time and therefore, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco again, you’re responding faster when you’re using it. It will actually probably use less total
⏹️ ▶️ Marco power to invoke the LLM if it’s already loaded, you’re saving some power there. So,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, that could be the reason for this. And if so, that’s a pretty good reason.
⏹️ ▶️ John What do the pixels have now? I mean, Android phones have always had way more RAM, but also their OS takes more RAM.
⏹️ ▶️ John Are they up to like 16, 24? I don’t even know what that is. I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco think it actually is 12 or 16. it’s somewhere near this.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah. Yeah, no more RAM is like, it’s a sweet, we all thank Apple intelligence for finally giving
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco all of our devices more RAM.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, but it’s a trade off, you know, RAM takes power too. Like, so, you know, you don’t wanna give it
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a device that is this power prioritizing, say. You don’t wanna give
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it way more RAM than it needs, even setting aside cost concerns, just because just keeping
⏹️ ▶️ Marco RAM on takes power. So, you know, you wanna size it right for the application, But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco certainly, if you’re going to have a whole bunch of phone features that use large AI
⏹️ ▶️ Marco models that need to be loaded into RAM to work, it is probably going to benefit you to have
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a whole bunch of RAM that you can just keep a lot of them loaded all the time.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, and then allegedly $800, no increase at all. No price increase from
iPhone 17 Pro/Max preview
⏹️ ▶️ Casey The 17 Pro, 17 Pro Max. They will get an A19 Pro with 12 gigs of RAM, again up from 8.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey A Qualcomm cell modem. They will be 8 and three quarters millimeters thick, up from 8
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and one quarter millimeter thick or no, I’m sorry, that’s not three quarters. What is that? 7 eighths? 8.725 instead
⏹️ ▶️ Casey can’t remember what fraction.
⏹️ ▶️ John Again, these these mock up models that all the YouTubers have had for months are down to the millimeter because
⏹️ ▶️ John they’re for case manufacture. So it’s getting a little bit thicker, presumably for that new case
⏹️ ▶️ John and the battery and all that other stuff. Qualcomm cell modem, because the Qualcomm cell modem still has better performance. It has the
⏹️ ▶️ John millimeter wave band and yada yada, like the Apple C1 is not a competition
⏹️ ▶️ John for the Qualcomm highest end modems. Maybe the C2 will be, but the C1 is not. So the low end phone
⏹️ ▶️ John gets a C1, and the rumor is that the high end phones will continue to get the Qualcomm one,
⏹️ ▶️ John which is fine, because that’s what our current phones have, and until Apple can match that feature set, they have no choice.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, and then there will be an aluminum unibody case and camera bump with a glass
⏹️ ▶️ Casey insert on the back and the antenna will be around the
⏹️ ▶️ John camera mesa. I should put a question mark on that one because that’s still speculation because the
⏹️ ▶️ John mock-ups don’t have that. But one of the ideas is that they found a new place to route the little camera lines, the
⏹️ ▶️ John little plastic stripes that are on the edges of the thing. Those will still be there, but also, supposedly,
⏹️ ▶️ John they’re going to route an antenna line around the aluminum camera mesa on the back
⏹️ ▶️ John of it. without having seen any real phones and only seeing the case mockups, you can’t tell if that’s true or not. So there’s
⏹️ ▶️ John a question mark on that one, but it would be a really clever idea. I just wonder how manufacturable it is.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ultimately, like this rumor change of using a lot more aluminum in the casing and less
⏹️ ▶️ Marco glass on the back surface. We talked about it a little bit in past episodes. I hope
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this works out the way that I think it will, which should result in just generally,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think it’ll look a lot nicer first of all, but that should be way better for weight and
⏹️ ▶️ Marco thermal conductivity.
⏹️ ▶️ John It does have some downsides though. Two I can think of, well, it has one more upside, which is I think
⏹️ ▶️ John it will be more rigid because it’s a unibody essentially, instead of like a band or ring, you know what I mean? So it should
⏹️ ▶️ John be more torsionally rigid by having essentially the whole top of the
⏹️ ▶️ John be like, you know, it’s carved out of a giant block of aluminum. So, and it connects on the back and all the sides. So that’s
⏹️ ▶️ John good. But the downside is the supposed easy repairability where you get in from the front
⏹️ ▶️ John or the back. I think, I mean, I don’t know how that glass insert is gonna come off.
⏹️ ▶️ John Maybe it’s just like glue and they can unglue it, but it seems like to get to certain things, like say the cameras, you’re gonna
⏹️ ▶️ John have to go through the screen, which is kind of like the bad old days where you had to do every repair from one direction. And if you
⏹️ ▶️ John were doing the thing that is closest to that direction, whether it’s the front or the back, fine. But if you’re doing the thing that’s farthest,
⏹️ ▶️ John you gotta pull everything out. So we’ll see what iFixit has to say about this. But if you look at this
⏹️ ▶️ John aluminum case, you can see it’s a giant full-size opening on the screen side and a smaller
⏹️ ▶️ John opening on the backside because the camera macer is part of the aluminum unibody. And yeah, I agree that
⏹️ ▶️ John it should help with weight and definitely with heat distribution, but repairability,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And also, you know, durability should probably
⏹️ ▶️ John be better. Yeah, it’s harder to break the glass when you hit the top corner because there’s no glass there anymore except for the cameras, I guess.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, right, and also like think of how many times people break the back glass on their phone. that will be a lot
⏹️ ▶️ Marco less likely probably under this kind of
⏹️ ▶️ John And people who break the back glass and don’t get it fixed, this will be
⏹️ ▶️ John more tenable because at least the crack will never extend to the edge. Cause it’s like, again, the glass insert
⏹️ ▶️ John areas is inset from like half a centimeter from all the edges that it’s on. I’m really
⏹️ ▶️ John curious to see, I’m assuming that glass thing is just glued down and you can get in there with like a, one of those little
⏹️ ▶️ John glue removal, like heat gun things and it will come off with a suction cup or something. But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know. Isn’t, I thought most repairs went in through the front. these days anyway. Isn’t like, wasn’t the whole
⏹️ ▶️ John whole thing with the new, the whole thing with the new design that premiered with the iPhone 14 is they made it so you could go in from either
⏹️ ▶️ John side, depending on which side is closer to the thing you want to repair. And that was a big boon for repairability. But, uh, this
⏹️ ▶️ John is kind of backsliding a little bit on that because the cameras are closest to the back, but you sure as hell can’t get to them from
⏹️ ▶️ John the back. Cause that’s the solid piece of aluminum around them.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right. There allegedly, as we briefly discussed earlier, will be vapor chamber
⏹️ ▶️ Casey cooling. And my understanding of that is there’s, I think a little bit of liquid, is that right,
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s like a refrigerant. It’s the thing that changes phase. Isn’t this what used to be called heat pipes? No, it’s a little
⏹️ ▶️ John bit different than heat pipes.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Either way, allegedly that will help thermals, which as the three of us, particularly Marco and I talked about,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey would be great. There may be reduced reflection from the screen, not a full-on matte screen,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but maybe a little bit better.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, there’s a vague rumor about better reflection handling as seen on recent Android phones. We’ll see if that
⏹️ ▶️ John turns out to be true. It’s got a question mark.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco I would love
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a nano texture option on the phone
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John like it’s not a rumor.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I know it’s not, but just for the record, like now that I have nano texture on
⏹️ ▶️ Marco my new laptop, I don’t think I’ll ever not get it if it’s offered like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco unless it’s something if it’s a situation like the iPad pro or like you can get it on the iPad pro. If
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you get the terabyte model, it’s like I’m probably never going to be able to justify
⏹️ ▶️ John might come down to the other models. Eventually Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like it I when it’s reasonably available. I think I will get nanotexture on everything. I can
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, I don’t blame you There may be a new 48 megapixel
⏹️ ▶️ Casey 8x telephoto maybe Or I also saw some rumblings
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that you know, I’m sorry. It’s the next line that John provided for me
⏹️ ▶️ Casey 5 to 8x moving lens element zoom potentially on the max only So this
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is that you would actually have a little bit of the lens internally moving about in order to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey provide Varying amount of zoom and again, maybe in the max phones
⏹️ ▶️ John because you need room It’s a periscope thing and the thing it’ll be moving will be moving like sideways within the phone and the max just has
⏹️ ▶️ John much more room for stuff to go sideways inside it the 48 megapixel like
⏹️ ▶️ John Part of the improvement to the telephoto is the increased number of pixels behind it But then also it’s 8x So if you crop
⏹️ ▶️ John in the ideas, like you said, Margo, like it would be 8X optically on the regular pro phone, but you could crop
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Crop into 16 or would it be 4X and you’re cropping to eight?
⏹️ ▶️ John No, I think it’s 8X. And like you said, the other lens, you’d be able to crop into
⏹️ ▶️ John 5X on like the, you said might be like 3.5X or whatever. Yeah, the camera stuff is also
⏹️ ▶️ John hard to nail down, but the 8X telephoto is pretty strongly rumored. And this moving element zoom in the max only
⏹️ ▶️ John is definitely a question mark.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey The Pro phone will allegedly be $50 more, so $1,050. The Pro Max would be, again, $50 more to $1,250,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey but maybe get 256 gigs of base storage, which would be nice. On the Pro,
⏹️ ▶️ John should be under the Pro. The Pro Max already has 256 base, but I believe the rumor
⏹️ ▶️ John is that the plain old Pro will go to 256 base, which, you know, but
⏹️ ▶️ John you can’t get that much additional storage for 50 bucks extra, so the Pro will be the bargain of the
⏹️ ▶️ John bunch here, but it’s good that the prices don’t seem to be moving too much.
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iPhone “Air” preview
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And Then we move on to the potential iPhone air
⏹️ ▶️ John We should talk about that name before we continue. We’ve just been calling an iPhone air We were calling an iPhone slim
⏹️ ▶️ John for a while before it was gonna be slim We called it the ultra because it was gonna be the fancier phone
⏹️ ▶️ John And then once the rumors solidified and everyone got those Little, you know 3d printed models
⏹️ ▶️ John or machined models. It was clear that the selling point of this phone would be that it’s thin so everybody started
⏹️ ▶️ John calling it the air just because that’s the name that makes the most sense doesn’t mean it’s the name Apple use
⏹️ ▶️ John So what else could this be called?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey If not air and I think slim is not Apple even hackett says ultra
⏹️ ▶️ John But it wouldn’t I don’t think they would use ultra I don’t I don’t think it is ultra but that makes me think but if you think
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s a dumb name Apple would use it That’s true
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, I think they would reserve ultra for a future like large like maybe that’s what the folding one
⏹️ ▶️ Marco will be called next year
⏹️ ▶️ John The 20th anniversary one, I don’t know.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like it’d be something that would be slotted above the Pro Max, and I don’t think this is gonna have
⏹️ ▶️ John that. What else, they’re not gonna call the iPhone slim.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, I think Air is very likely to be used.
⏹️ ▶️ John Especially if they use it for the iPad, where it’s really weird, because what’s not the skinniest iPad?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, I think when it was released, it was. Was it? Remember, because like, okay, you had the iPad,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the iPad 2, and then a few other unnamed, and then the iPad Air was a much
⏹️ ▶️ Marco thinner, lighter design when it came out. Wasn’t that the first one that shrunk the left and right bezels
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to be not the same as the top and bottom?
⏹️ ▶️ John No, I have to check whether the Air was actually Airy on the iPad, but either way, there’s precedent on the iPad
⏹️ ▶️ John for them using the name, whether or not it currently makes sense in the current lineup. So everyone
⏹️ ▶️ John assumes it’s gonna be called iPhone Air, but I’m not as confident in this name,
⏹️ ▶️ John simply because it makes too much sense. Yeah, how about iPhone Min? Am
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I, yeah, right. I don’t think that’s happening. Yeah, I don’t know. If not
⏹️ ▶️ Casey the Air, I honestly don’t have a clue. I think Air
⏹️ ▶️ Casey is such an obvious answer, which to your point, maybe it means it’s never gonna be the answer, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I’m not sure what else they would use.
⏹️ ▶️ John If I had to put money, I’d have to put it on Air, because honestly, I can’t think of anything either. But Stephen Haggad seems real convinced that it’s gonna be Ultra.
⏹️ ▶️ John I just don’t think that’s it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But yeah, I do think we should never underestimate the weirdness of Apple’s naming choices.
⏹️ ▶️ John Or I’ll put it this way. It shouldn’t be called Ultra, and I really hope it’s not.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, all right. So anyway, whatever this thing is the air or otherwise it’s maybe going to
⏹️ ▶️ Casey have an a19 pro And
⏹️ ▶️ John yeah, this rumor keeps going back and forth I said in the last episode no no pro chip in the air, but now they’re like maybe
⏹️ ▶️ John pro chip with GPU core disabled So I don’t know how to nail this one down. Obviously the
⏹️ ▶️ John Apple has choices here I think the only choice they don’t have is to have a full-fledged full-speed
⏹️ ▶️ John pro chip in there because it’s too skinny and they can’t get the heat out. So they could put a pro chip in there with parts of
⏹️ ▶️ John it disabled, they could downclock it, or they could put a plain A19. I’m starting to believe
⏹️ ▶️ John the pro with stuff disabled rumor, just because they’re gonna have pro with stuff that doesn’t work.
⏹️ ▶️ John And they’re gonna put some of them in their studio display too later in the year
⏹️ ▶️ John next year, and they’re gonna put some of them on the iPhone Air, but we’ll see. That’s another thing to look for. Does the Air
⏹️ ▶️ John get a hobbled pro chip or does it get the plain A19?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Does it get 12 gigs of RAM? We think it does. And we also think it’s going to have the C1
⏹️ ▶️ Casey cellular modem. It’ll be between the Pro and the Pro Max in size in terms of width and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey height, but it will be a scant five and a half millimeters thick,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey or so we think. And that’s about three millimeters less than the iPhone 17 Pro. The
⏹️ ▶️ Casey iPhone Air, 17 Air will allegedly cost about 950 bucks, which is 50 more than the iPhone 16 Plus.
⏹️ ▶️ John no more Plus phones is the rumor this year. So the Air basically replaces them in the lineup as
⏹️ ▶️ John not really replaces them because it’s whatever, but it’s yeah.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, I bought a Plus as one of my test devices. It’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the only one I have ever seen in the wild.
⏹️ ▶️ John Apple’s just, the thing is Apple’s just too good at upselling people. Like they put these phones in their line that make perfect
⏹️ ▶️ John sense and make the line uniform and even it out and make, but then it’s just like, then the
⏹️ ▶️ John entire machinery of Apple’s like brand and marketing and value and deal
⏹️ ▶️ John pushes people away from products like the Plus. Even though it’s a perfectly serviceable
⏹️ ▶️ John product and it fits in the line, just like, well, but if I’m spending this much anyway, maybe I should just get the
⏹️ ▶️ John Pro Max. And I guess that’s what people do when they want a giant phone. Do you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco think is the 13 inch iPad Air selling any better than
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the iPhone Plus has been selling?
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know. I would, again, you would hope so, It’s like, what if I would just want a big screen but don’t need all the pro
⏹️ ▶️ John features? It makes perfect sense. It’s just, it kind of annoys me that they’re taking it out of the line because you know my old
⏹️ ▶️ John deal of like, not everything has to be your best selling product, but whatever. I mean, they’re
⏹️ ▶️ John diversifying the iPhone line this year in a different way that they hadn’t before. With this air thing is
⏹️ ▶️ John slotting in in a weird way because it’s not just a different size or a different power. It’s a whole, it’s balance
⏹️ ▶️ John of features. It’s a whole different deal. Like part of the reason it has a C1 cell modem is because for power concerns, right?
⏹️ ▶️ John I didn’t put this in here, but there’s rumors back and forth about what battery technology they’re gonna be using.
⏹️ ▶️ John And that really influences how optimistic people are about the battery life. They’re like, well, if they use the same battery technology as the other phones,
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s gonna suck because the battery is gonna be tiny. But what if it’s their first silicon carbon battery and the new technology
⏹️ ▶️ John will make it better? And it’s like, well, why don’t they use those good batteries in the other phones too? So we’ll see
⏹️ ▶️ John what the battery story is and if they tout any new battery chemistry in the Air or the other iPhones.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Well, also, you know, keep in mind, the rumor is that it will have the C1 sub-modem, that’s gonna
⏹️ ▶️ Marco be probably much more efficient than the Qualcomm modem and the Pro.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, yeah, that’s what I just said. Like, that’s part of the reason they’re doing that. Part of it is pricing and power from the Qualcomm thing, but
⏹️ ▶️ John also part of it is you gotta have the lowest power stuff in there. Which is why the rumor of A19 Pro versus A19
⏹️ ▶️ John keeps going back and forth. You’re like, well, why would they put the Pro in it? The battery life is so precious.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, we’ll see. I mean, I think I’m probably gonna end up buying the Air,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco honestly. Like, I don’t know that I will end up being happy with that decision over the entire year to come. I think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s a risk. But it sounds really interesting. And I don’t necessarily think that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco what they are doing here is, you know, killing the plus. Like, you know, I think it’s more like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they are taking the plus in a different direction. Like that’s, this is basically,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco this is very similar in specs, limits, and pricing,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco probably, to where the Plus sat in the lineup before.
⏹️ ▶️ John But see, I don’t, the Plus had a bigger, the Plus was like the 13 inch
⏹️ ▶️ John iPad Air. It was like, I want a bigger screen, but I don’t care about all the other crap. But the Air is like,
⏹️ ▶️ John I want a bigger screen, but oh, but you can’t get the Pro Max size screen. You’ve got to get something that’s in between the Pro and the Max. And you’re
⏹️ ▶️ John like, okay, fine, I can live with that. Oh, and by the way, also we’re hurting your battery life. Whereas the Plus used to have great battery life because
⏹️ ▶️ John it was real big and it didn’t have the Pro SOC in it. A great battery life, the Air
⏹️ ▶️ John totally is not filling that role in the lineup anymore. The Air is the worst battery life of any
⏹️ ▶️ Casey What camera system are we getting on the Air?
⏹️ ▶️ John I didn’t put that in here because I didn’t look up the details of it. I think it’s basically, you just get like the 1X camera from
⏹️ ▶️ John the 17, but we’ll see. But anyway, there’s no exciting camera rumors about the
⏹️ ▶️ John Air. It’s just like, you get one, that’s clear. You’re just getting one camera and it’s probably gonna be
⏹️ ▶️ John the regular 1X camera from either the pro or the non-pro if they’re not the same this year.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Which is interesting too, like if they, yeah, because the rumors are that there will be only one camera,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco which also means no 0.5 ultra wide. That’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And if we don’t have the 0.5 ultra wide with the camera system as we know it, that means no macro,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco no 3D anything, like no, you know, the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Pro 3D video, like spatial video, like there’s, like that would actually be a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco significant feature limitation only to not even have the wide. It’s
⏹️ ▶️ John the sacrifice for the thickness, because again, like the space that they save by not having those cameras, they shove
⏹️ ▶️ John more battery up there.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, so we’ll see. I mean, I think it’s gonna be a really interesting
⏹️ ▶️ Marco phone to try. And I think they’re gonna make some big splashes with it. We’ll see.
⏹️ ▶️ John And before we move on from the phones, because this is the last one, I have to say that,
⏹️ ▶️ John even though obviously I’m not against the multi cameras in the back like my daughter is.
⏹️ ▶️ John The Plane 17, like the Plane 16, but even more so
⏹️ ▶️ John is so clearly the best looking phone in the lineup because the back of the Air looks weird and awkward
⏹️ ▶️ John with that thing. The back of the Pro looks miserable this year. Back of the non-Pro,
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s got two cameras vertically with a purple and green cases and everything. It
⏹️ ▶️ John is the most attractive phone if you care about that sort of thing, which surprisingly I kind
⏹️ ▶️ John of do. Not enough for me to get a non-pro because I need the cameras more, but boy, I wish I could have a camera that
⏹️ ▶️ John looked like the 16 or the 17 on the back. And the Air, you think like, oh,
⏹️ ▶️ John isn’t the Air gonna be the looker? But it’s got one camera, but it’s got a full length pixel
⏹️ ▶️ John style camera on the back, and I think it is ugly.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Honestly, I think all the camera mesas are ugly. Like I don’t think, I think with all the mesa designs, I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco think they are all hideous.
⏹️ ▶️ John But 17 is the best or the 16 is the best. Yeah, probably. Especially on the 16 where it
⏹️ ▶️ John like the fade of the deep color of the 16 sort of fading up in the camera maze. So they did it, it’s slimming.
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s like when you do like a, whatever, I don’t know the makeup terms, like the
⏹️ ▶️ John highlighter along the bridge of your nose for makeup and everything to make your nose look smaller.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco I love that you think we would
⏹️ ▶️ John Right? Someone in the chat room will know. Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ John Really? Are you sure? Our chat room? Yes. People know things about makeup. I know things about makeup, I just don’t know the right words.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we’ll figure it out another time. I don’t know. I I’m intrigued by the air. Uh, I don’t
⏹️ ▶️ Casey think I would want it as my. For the next year phone. Although
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I am, I really think that one of the three of us should grab one of these. So, you know, I’m going to get
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, that’s probably true.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, Casey Cause you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco even like, I don’t, again, I don’t care that much about thinness. I think it’s going to feel amazing. Cause it’s going to be lighter. I think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s really, what’s going to get me about it.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Um, I know we talked about this just a little while ago on this very episode, but I am surprised by how
⏹️ ▶️ Casey off-putting you find the weight of these phones to be, because I mean- They’re pulling his shorts down. I mean,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey They’re not light. I’m not trying to say that they’re light. I’m not trying to say that it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Casey unreasonable for you to be put off by this, but I’m just not nearly as-
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John Did you ever
⏹️ ▶️ John use a Mini, Casey? Did you get a Mini one year? I forget.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey No, I did not. Oh, the Mini was great.
⏹️ ▶️ John I get where he’s coming from, because I go into my attic occasionally and pick up like old iPhone 6 or like an old iPod
⏹️ ▶️ John Touch, and it’s like, they weigh nothing. And it really, these bricks that we carry around with us,
⏹️ ▶️ John like the functionality is important enough for us to do it. And I prefer the battery life that I get from the brick
⏹️ ▶️ John than I would otherwise. But if I could snap my fingers and have something that weighed as much as an old iPod touch, but it
⏹️ ▶️ John had all these feature size and battery life, I would do it in a second. So, and especially since the phones
⏹️ ▶️ John have been kind of getting heavier as they got bigger. Again, I think those were the correct trade-offs for the Pro phones. And I still think
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s the correct trade-offs, but I get where Marco’s coming from with the weight. I wouldn’t trade it for all my cameras,
⏹️ ▶️ John but I can see why somebody would. The battery life is the only big question mark in my
⏹️ ▶️ John mind, because if your phone doesn’t last all day, it doesn’t matter how much you enjoy it when you’re using it.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Yeah, we’ll see what happens. I don’t know. I am definitely intrigued by the Air or whatever it ends up being called.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Like I said, I don’t suspect I’m gonna actually commit to it and I hope that Marco does at
⏹️ ▶️ Casey least long enough for us to talk about it on the show and then if you return it, so be it. But I am definitely
⏹️ ▶️ Casey intrigued, for sure.
AirPods Pro 3 preview
⏹️ ▶️ Casey There are allegedly some other things coming on, what is it, Tuesday? So we will
⏹️ ▶️ Casey allegedly be getting AirPods Pro 3, which I have been waiting for for so long, except
⏹️ ▶️ Casey now I’ve got basically a brand new AirPods Pro 2.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John But you’re getting them anyway.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I probably will because I’m a fool. But anyways, they’re
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, Marco allegedly- Look, there’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco nothing wrong with having multiple pairs of the headphones you use most often.
⏹️ ▶️ John You’ll be passing them down to your kids soon enough too.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Yeah, they definitely
⏹️ ▶️ Marco want like your earwax and-
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John Well, no, you give me tips, man.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey You’re kidding?
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And also, I don’t think they would care that much. But
⏹️ ▶️ John wait until you see what they look like after they use them for a while. Yeah, gross.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So anyway, so AirPods Pro 3, new smaller case without any buttons whatsoever, which is similar
⏹️ ▶️ Casey to the AirPods 4. Is that what you’re rocking now, John, the
⏹️ ▶️ Casey, John AirPods 4? Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ John it’s got like a capacitive button, which I think is kind of a downgrade, because honestly, how are people supposed to figure that out? It’s not like
⏹️ ▶️ John the tiny instruction booklet people just throw away or never look at. But yeah, there’s still a capacitive button
⏹️ ▶️ John that does the same thing as the press-in button, but now it’s not a real button.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, in all fairness, no one knows how the button works anyway, even when it’s a real button.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, it’s true. Yeah, it’s better for the case. Less grit can get in there, it makes it simpler, so on and so forth.
⏹️ ▶️ John But what they mean by smaller case is smaller than the current AirPods Pro 2
⏹️ ▶️ John case, which is still pretty big.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, any reduction in case size, especially
⏹️ ▶️ Marco thickness, I would very much welcome. Because the way it is right now, I,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like, you can put it in a pocket, but it’s not graceful. I mean, you know, getting back to our shorts
⏹️ ▶️ Marco discussion, like, there’s pretty much no way to have an AirPods Pro case in your pants
⏹️ ▶️ Marco pocket and have it look reasonable at all.
⏹️ ▶️ John Another weird thing is I found, I don’t know if this is just my daughter or a trend among kids, but she has always
⏹️ ▶️ John asked for and gotten cases for her AirPod cases. I guess it’s just to make them look nicer, like, because
⏹️ ▶️ John they’re just boring and white, so she gets like brightly colored ones with patterns on them. And recently
⏹️ ▶️ John the case I got her came with like a carabiner thing attached to it. And I just assumed she would just take
⏹️ ▶️ John that off and ignore it, but she’s like, no, leave it on, it’s cool. So her AirPods case have
⏹️ ▶️ John always been even bigger than they would be because they have, you know, a thin silicone,
⏹️ ▶️ John cheap silicone case around them with like pretty flowers on it or whatever. And then a carabiner attached to it.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So anyways, there’s going to be a better sound, better noise cancellation, and potentially
⏹️ ▶️ Casey heart rate monitoring? We’ll see. It’s the rumor, we’ll see. Along with 他要在自己。
Apple Watch preview
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Series 11 will have the S11 chip, which will basically be the same as the S10.
⏹️ ▶️ John I can’t believe Apple keeps getting away with that. I don’t know how many years they’ve done it in a row, just like they would just increase the number, but have
⏹️ ▶️ John the SoC be basically unchanged.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Yeah, I believe
⏹️ ▶️ Marco there were three years in a row where it was the same processor in each Apple
⏹️ ▶️ John Watch. And then they changed it, and now we’re back to like, well, it’s gonna be the same as, I mean, not that it matters, it’s fine,
⏹️ ▶️ John but it’s just, they don’t feel the need to put the pedal to the metal in terms of like every year,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, ramping it up. I think the only time it’s gonna change like when they go to two nanometer or something,
⏹️ ▶️ John and even maybe not that year, maybe the year after they go to two nanometer, then the S12 or 13
⏹️ ▶️ John is the first two nanometer one, and they do the change, and then it’s the same SOC three years in a row. It’s fine, it’s just funny
⏹️ ▶️ Casey We will potentially be getting 5G cellular on the Apple Watch Series 11, and maybe
⏹️ ▶️ Casey blood pressure monitoring. I would be very surprised if that happens, but it would be great if it did.
⏹️ ▶️ John All the health stuff is always such a big question mark, because there’s just so many things that are rumored, and there’s so much about
⏹️ ▶️ John shipping them that has nothing to do with technology and everything to do with like regulatory environment and whether Apple feels
⏹️ ▶️ John like they should do it or whatever. So take all of the potential health things to the grain. So, but if
⏹️ ▶️ John it doesn’t have something like that, the only new feature would be S11, which whether people know it or
⏹️ ▶️ John not, it’s not that big of a change from an S10 and instead of just LTE cellular doing 5G.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Keep in mind, the track record of Apple Watch rumors is terrible.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in either direction, whenever like nothing is predicted, sometimes we get something pretty cool. And then
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sometimes we have like predictions of say, a case redesign or a new strap,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, a straper mechanism or whatever. And like those almost never pan out. The rumor mill
⏹️ ▶️ Marco for Apple Watch is very weak.
⏹️ ▶️ John Especially for things like these health features, which even if these were true, the rumors
⏹️ ▶️ John don’t even say that this would require different hardware. So you can’t even verify or like,
⏹️ ▶️ John you know, negate them by looking at the hardware, because all these are like, well, we’d use the existing
⏹️ ▶️ John sensors that are already there. We just have figured out some way to use those sensors to get this information in some weird
⏹️ ▶️ John way, or maybe we haven’t, and it doesn’t even change the hardware. The case rumors and stuff like that, it’s like, it’s clear that it’s just, that’s either,
⏹️ ▶️ John we’ll be able to tell whether that’s true or not, and lo and behold, they haven’t been, and the strap rumors. But the
⏹️ ▶️ John health monitoring rumors are so hard because a lot of it is just like software
⏹️ ▶️ John that either is or isn’t ready to synthesize sensor data to come up with a number.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Apple Watch SE will have the S11. Maybe. Maybe. New sleep apnea detection,
⏹️ ▶️ John And which is just a feature that the non-SE watches have had, but the rumor is that the SE will get it this
⏹️ ▶️ Casey year. And maybe new 1.6 inch and 1.8 inch display sizes. What is that in
⏹️ ▶️ Casey terms of millimeters? You know, 40, 44, et cetera.
⏹️ ▶️ John I forget, but I would say see Marco’s earlier comments about the rumors of watch hardware.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, what this is saying is that the SE, SE hasn’t been updated in a while. And so this would, I forget
⏹️ ▶️ John what number they’re on. Is this the SE4 or whatever, but like that this would be a change. That’s why the S11 is like,
⏹️ ▶️ John it would be a new Apple Watch SE that, you know, tries to keep up with the other watches. So
⏹️ ▶️ John if it had an S11, that would be something, it would say like, it has the exact same SOC as the plain series 11.
⏹️ ▶️ John So it will keep for three years when they don’t change it. And it will get some of the previous features that the non-SE
⏹️ ▶️ John watches had, like sleep apnea detection. And if it’s a new size, I don’t know why it would be a new size, but who the hell knows.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and what I’m hoping, like, you know, it sounds like this is gonna be a pretty boring
⏹️ ▶️ Marco year for Apple Watch updates, if all these rumors or lack thereof are actually correct. These
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John are the most
⏹️ ▶️ John exciting rumors we’ve got.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and this is, like, there’s not a lot here. So what I’m hoping for, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the Apple Watch hardware itself, it’s not that interesting most of the time, but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they can usually do fun things like, you know, maybe a new case material, like a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco new kind of metal or a new finish on the case, maybe a new color of metal on the case,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco maybe some new strap type that like, oh, we’ve now, now we have the titanium
⏹️ ▶️ Marco loop combo or, you know, like some kind of like other way to have some
⏹️ ▶️ Marco nice little updates here that don’t require necessarily the constant march of exciting hardware, which they don’t really tend to
⏹️ ▶️ Marco deliver. But you know, there’s lots of other things that matter in watches. And if you can, you know, this
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is at the end of the day, it’s, it is a computer, but it’s also jewelry and fashion. And so if you can
⏹️ ▶️ Marco make some excitement there in those other areas, which they are usually are pretty good at, then that’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a way to make this interesting in other ways.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey The Apple Watch Ultra 3, we don’t know squat, except that maybe it’ll get
⏹️ ▶️ Casey satellite connectivity.
⏹️ ▶️ John And that may be the only thing that’s different about it. I mean, presumably the S11 or whatever, but like it’ll look the same as the
⏹️ ▶️ John current Apple Watch Ultra, as Marco said, maybe it’ll come in some new color or something, maybe not. But the whole idea is that
⏹️ ▶️ John satellite connectivity And I think what they’re saying by that, I’m afraid I didn’t put the details in here, but like
⏹️ ▶️ John not just the thing where you can SOS, whatever, but where you can actually use it to send data or whatever, which is
⏹️ ▶️ John a feature that is popular on other non-Apple watches and the Apple Watch Ultra is lagging behind
⏹️ ▶️ John its competitors in this area. So maybe we’ll get satellite connectivity for more than just absolute last resort SOS.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I will say for whatever it’s worth on, on the fun new strap front, all summer
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I changed up my Apple watch strap for, I forget what it’s called, but there’s an ultra
⏹️ ▶️ Marco version of the Milanese loop that is made of titanium and it has a latch
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that keeps it in place. Like it keeps the fit size that you set. Instead of
⏹️ ▶️ John the little magnets thing and just a loop.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, and I’ve been wearing this, I don’t wear an ultra, but I’ve been wearing this on my regular, like, you know, big
⏹️ ▶️ Marco sized regular Apple Watch all summer long. And not only does it look very good, but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it has functioned so much better than any other metal Apple
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Watch strap I’ve ever had. Because you can set the set point clasp,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you can unbutton it and set it wherever you want. So you have free range. So unlike the Link bracelet,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco which doesn’t have any kind of micro adjustment, you have infinite micro adjustment
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on how you’re setting it. But every time you put it on, it goes back to where you previously set it. So it’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco not like you have to every morning try to get it right again, like with the regular Milanese.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And compared to the regular Milanese, this one doesn’t pinch arm hairs at all. It,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t know why, I don’t know what, I don’t know how they’re managing to do it. It’s just like a different physical, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco mechanic. I don’t know. Somehow it doesn’t pinch any arm hairs at all.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I think John’s arms would like a word.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, look, I’m no John with my arm hair, but, you know, I’m not that,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you know, bald. I don’t know. Like I have like, I think I have like a standard amount of man arm
⏹️ ▶️ John hair. Maybe they just changed, like you said, like the way the little, at the microscopic level, the way the little rings or
⏹️ ▶️ John whatever interlink with each other. So maybe hairs don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco get caught in there.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Whatever it is, I like this titanium mesh thing, I love this band.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s fantastic. And even without an ultra, as I was saying, like as long as you have the big size
⏹️ ▶️ Marco watch, because they don’t make it in the small size, but as long as you have the big size watch, this band works really well.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey That’s cool. Then apparently we will be getting, and I believe we talked about this a week or two
⏹️ ▶️ Casey ago, we will be maybe getting tech woven and or liquid silicone cases.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey And they may have lanyard or perhaps cross body straps.
⏹️ ▶️ John Yeah, Marco mentioned that earlier. You can see pictures of it in the MacRumors story. I still don’t quite understand
⏹️ ▶️ John how the cross body strap will work. It’s got like magnets in the end that connect the little things together, but I don’t
⏹️ ▶️ John quite know where the phone part, anyway. I wish they had showed this on a person. Show
⏹️ ▶️ John me how a person uses this to carry a phone.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Have you never seen like a cross-body phone strap?
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t think I’ve seen one in real life and I would love to see one like sort of mocked up here, but it’s just, yeah, I mean,
⏹️ ▶️ John I guess, I guess if this is
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco how you wanna carry a phone. I think this is
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a thing that like younger than us people do that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John we don’t understand.
⏹️ ▶️ John Oh yeah, for sure. Like I’m sure this is not, yeah. Or for all I know, it’s also the thing that retired people will be using or something.
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t know, but we’ll find out. I mean, obviously it’s a big enough trend for Apple, for it to be on Apple’s radar. Again, if this
⏹️ ▶️ John rumor is to be believed. Whether or not Apple makes these, other people do make them. And so that’s why people think
⏹️ ▶️ John Apple might make one. You can see the pictures. What it looks to me like is like a dog leash,
⏹️ ▶️ John but you know, that’s just where my
⏹️ ▶️ John, Casey mind goes when I see something like this.
Hopes and dreams
⏹️ ▶️ Casey All right, and then I have been instructed to ask you and I think these are great questions that
⏹️ ▶️ Casey John put in the show notes What are we most looking forward to I will finish up. So let’s start
⏹️ ▶️ John Strangely enough. I think I am most looking forward to the plain
⏹️ ▶️ John iPhone 17 So it’s time to swap my answer to the next question. We’re gonna do as and I said earlier
⏹️ ▶️ John Getting 17s for my kids. And like I said, I I don’t like how the pros look this year
⏹️ ▶️ John I don’t like the fact that they kind of left the three cameras the same way they were but extended the Mesa across the phone like
⏹️ ▶️ John I feel like it is not the The recognition of the reality of cameras that I
⏹️ ▶️ John was asking for when I said stop pretending they’re in the corner They’re like fine now. They’re not in the corner.
⏹️ ▶️ John, Marco Well, there’s
⏹️ ▶️ John still just I don’t like it I don’t like a way looks on the air When it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John got one camera, that’s got the pixel thing. The the looks just like the pixel phones I think
⏹️ ▶️ John they’re ugly and not a good design design. So I’m glad I’m not getting one. And
⏹️ ▶️ John I’m glad my kids are getting the plain 17 because I think it’s the looker of the group. And I’m hoping
⏹️ ▶️ John that the 17 will be a great phone for both of them. First of all, this is probably the last phone I’m going to
⏹️ ▶️ John be buying for my son because hopefully someday he will graduate and get a job or go to
⏹️ ▶️ John graduate school or whatever. But, but you know, the, the parent gravy train is ending after
⏹️ ▶️ John four years of college. And so this will probably be the last phone we buy for him. And it’s
⏹️ ▶️ John this is going to be my daughter’s college phone that she’s going to hopefully use for all four years of college. And
⏹️ ▶️ John it will come with a pretty good processor in the a 19 built on TSMC and three
⏹️ ▶️ John p process the best three nanometer one after many years of various three nanometer process 12 gigs of
⏹️ ▶️ John RAM thanks to Apple intelligence up from eight, the low power Apple cell modem promotion.
⏹️ ▶️ John That sounds like a great I hope it has really good battery life with the A19 on
⏹️ ▶️ John M3P and the C1 cell modem and maybe a ProMotion that doesn’t include the always on screen now
⏹️ ▶️ John that I’m sure you would probably use that anyway. So I’m actually the most excited about the Plane 17 because
⏹️ ▶️ John I feel like it will be like the perfection of this particular form. Kind
⏹️ ▶️ John of like I feel like the 16 Pro was the kind of the perfection of this form before they changed it again. But the 17
⏹️ ▶️ John hasn’t changed. It looks just like the 16 but it’ll be, it should be better in all possible ways with couple of
⏹️ ▶️ John specs particularly bumped up, particularly the RAM and the cell modem and taking less power and promotion.
⏹️ ▶️ John So that’s what I’m most excited about. And also, I think it’ll become the most fun colors and I’m interested to see which
⏹️ ▶️ John colors my kids will pick. I’m sure my son will pick black or gray or something, but my daughter will pick something
⏹️ ▶️ John fun. So there you go. That’s that’s my pick for the event. I’m excited about the 17. Marco Wow.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I mean, I’ve covered
⏹️ ▶️ Marco most of this already. I can’t wait to see the air. That’s really… I mean, and I think
⏹️ ▶️ Marco even if it turns out not to be perfect in every way for me,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I’m just looking forward to what have they done that is different here?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco How… Like, obviously, there’s going to be major trade-offs, but maybe they’ll be worth it when you pick the thing up
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and you’re like, oh my God, I have to have this. Whenever they’ve introduced a new form factor of something,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco there’s always tradeoffs. If it’s small, the tradeoffs usually are
⏹️ ▶️ Marco compute power or battery or features, whatever it is. You look at when they
⏹️ ▶️ Marco first introduced the MacBook Air or the 12-inch MacBook. These came
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in with very big tradeoffs, but you would pick the thing up and be like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco oh my God, I have to have this. And you would oftentimes put up with those tradeoffs.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco every trade-off that we’ve said is probably likely with the iPhone Air also applied to the iPod,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the iPhone mini, but I use an iPhone mini for a year and loved it. Even
⏹️ ▶️ Marco though, yeah, I missed the zoom camera. Yeah, I missed having the bigger battery,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but I did love it for that year because it was something different and it felt delightful in my hand.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s what I’m expecting and hoping the iPhone, quote, Air to be.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I think it’s going to be really nice in like physical ways
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and maybe in the technical specs it won’t be as nice but that might be a worthy
⏹️ ▶️ Marco trade-off for a lot of people and possibly myself included. So that I’m very much looking forward
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to because it’s something really new and it looks like they are trying something really extreme with
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it and that could be really nice.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey Oh and you’re looking to buy which one?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco The only thing that I think that would kick me up to the pro is if it’s a really good orange.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John have high hopes.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I just, yeah, I don’t see it happening. If it is great, and if for some reason the colors really suck
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the air, but I don’t think that will end up being the case.
⏹️ ▶️ John I think the rumor is the colors aren’t exciting on the air. So like when it came down to choose what should the air
⏹️ ▶️ John be like, it’s kind of between the pro and the non-pro. It seems like they’re leaning more towards the pro, but again, color rumors are the hardest to
⏹️ ▶️ John nail down. there’s still hope for you.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, like I will say I’ve seen the rumored colors and the Air colors
⏹️ ▶️ Marco did not look interesting. But yeah, we’ll see what that what that orange turns out to be.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey For me, I think I’m most excited to see the Air and the new AirPods Pro.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I sincerely doubt I will be buying an Air, although you bet I’m going to have to go to the Apple Store
⏹️ ▶️ Casey and touch one and and fondle one and see what I think. I suspect
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I will be getting a iPhone 17 Pro or perhaps iPhone 26 Pro, but I think it’ll be
⏹️ ▶️ Casey an iPhone 17 Pro. And we’ll see what happens from there. I don’t know.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey I feel like as much as I enjoy the iPhone 16 Pro, we very much
⏹️ ▶️ Casey are in the, or approaching the one true form of the slab of glass
⏹️ ▶️ Casey that does things. And I’m really looking forward to the air to see like Marco was saying, What are they doing differently
⏹️ ▶️ Casey this time? How are they changing things? What is this trading off
⏹️ ▶️ Casey in order to get incredibly thin? And I’m just excited to see something that looks a bit different,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey even if I don’t necessarily think it fits my needs well. So that’s what I think will happen, and
⏹️ ▶️ Casey we’ll see how it goes on Tuesday. And just, I know we usually cover this at the end of the show, but
⏹️ ▶️ Casey since we’re here now, our intention is to record on the 10th, on Wednesday, just as you would
⏹️ ▶️ Casey expect, so we are not doing any crazy scheduling changes or anything like that.
⏹️ ▶️ Casey So you will have a bootleg late on Wednesday the 10th and a released episode,
⏹️ ▶️ Casey depending on how late Marco wants to stay up, more likely than not sometime on Thursday the 11th.
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⏹️ ▶️ Marco Are you guys excited about the new tiny remarkable tablet?
⏹️ ▶️ John I saw that. I saved that. I was going to put that in the notes for next week’s show, but I assume you saw it. I was wondering
⏹️ ▶️ John if you would be excited about it because it seemed like you kind of appreciated the bigger screen. I know you’re a fan of the product,
⏹️ ▶️ John but I was wondering if you would find the screen too small, but it sounds like you’re excited about it.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco So coincidentally, I actually just like two weeks ago or
⏹️ ▶️ Marco last week even, 7, upgraded to the bigger size Remarkable, the Remarkable Paper Pro.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And then they announced this like, you know, a few days ago, like they literally announced the event that they were going to like, you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco have a new, another release at the day after I threw away the box of the Remarkable
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But so what they release or yeah, it’s now it’s unreleased. What they released is the Remarkable
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Paper Pro Move, which has at least one too many words in the product name,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but it’s basically it’s almost an iPad mini sized remarkable paper pro.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco It’s actually like it’s skinnier and taller than a lot of
⏹️ ▶️ Marco E Ink tablets and or tablets.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco, John It’s like a big phone.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, almost like it’s you ever see like a reporter notebook style.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco kind of like that that kind of aspect ratio and style. It’s like a tall skinny
⏹️ ▶️ Marco note-taking thing. And what’s interesting is it uses the same
⏹️ ▶️ Marco color e-ink screen as the Big Remarkable, actually at a higher resolution.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But we’ll see how that goes. Early reviews are out on YouTube from people who
⏹️ ▶️ Marco had advanced units, and they seem pretty positive.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t think it’s right for me, although, you know, watch, I’ll probably have one in two weeks, but you
⏹️ ▶️ Marco know. You know! I don’t think it’s right for me. However, there’s other products
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the category that I was a little bit interested in. There’s
⏹️ ▶️ Marco two or three major ones that I see all over Amazon. There’s one from a company
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that makes like AI Note or something like that is the brand or something
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like that. And then there’s a company called Vi Woods that makes a really compelling
⏹️ ▶️ Marco small one that I actually bought earlier this summer, ended up returning because I didn’t really love
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the software on it. But there is this whole category of E-Ink note-taking
⏹️ ▶️ Marco things, and I did my little YouTube video earlier in
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the year about comparing the Remarkable 2 to the
⏹️ ▶️ Marco SuperNote Manta, the 10.5-inch class ones. And
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the reason I ended up upgrading to the Remarkable Paper Pro just last week
⏹️ ▶️ Marco was basically because I liked having more screen space
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and I wanted a backlight and some of the kind of more modern advances
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that they had made with the Paper Pro. And in terms of things like, you know, life,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco everyday life benefits, things like the dramatically improved design for the case
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and how it wraps around the pen and how the pen attaches and what the pen does, even simple things like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on the Pro compared to the 2, the Pro will wake up when
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you open the case, or it’ll wake up when you take the pen off the side,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco which is really, like there’s little quality of life improvements like that that makes the Pro
⏹️ ▶️ Marco really nice of an upgrade over the remarkable 2. Because you know, the 2 is like 5
⏹️ ▶️ Marco years old, and the Pro came out about a year ago, and And so now this new one, the Pro Move,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is basically all of the features of the Pro, but tiny and skinny.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And that is awesome if you need something tiny.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t think I do. Like the only time I really take it out
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is if I’m like, you know, if I’m like meeting with somebody or I will
⏹️ ▶️ Marco bring it to therapy so I can like take notes about what I’m talking about and feeling.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And so it is nice to have something portable, but the reality is like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco my hands aren’t so full that I can’t just bring the big one. So it’s fine.
⏹️ ▶️ John can put it in your other pocket to balance it out with the shorts so they’d pull down evenly. Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco and like and it’s not like the new Pro Move. It’s not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so small that it would fit in a pocket really, maybe like a big winter jacket pocket, but you know,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco it’s not fitting in your pants
⏹️ ▶️ John pocket. It keeps looking like an iPhone Pro Max to me, but I guess it is bigger than that, huh?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco No, it’s roughly iPad mini class.
⏹️ ▶️ John It’s like 7.3 versus what is the Pro Max, 6.6 or something? Yeah,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco but there’s a big bezel difference. Yeah. And a big aspect ratio difference. Yeah, you’re
⏹️ ▶️ John has a big chin on the bottom too.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Yeah, exactly. So anyway, it looks really, really good for a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco very specialized market. And I don’t think I’m in that market, but I do really
⏹️ ▶️ Marco enjoy the Remarkable line. Whenever I have tried anything else besides the Remarkable line
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to fill this like, you know, note-taking E-ink tablet kind of thing, I
⏹️ ▶️ Marco am always incredibly disappointed by the software
⏹️ ▶️ Marco on everyone else’s tablets. Remarkable is incredibly Apple-like in the best way. Like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco they don’t necessarily tackle every feature, they don’t address every market, but their software
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is really good. It’s a really nice overall integrated experience.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco The hardware is nice, the software is nice. The technical side, like the battery
⏹️ ▶️ Marco life is great. The sync service is very reliable. The feature set, like everything just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco kind of works. And whenever I’ve tried any of the other ones, there have been features that I’ve liked about
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the other ones, but the software is always just full of paper cuts or it’s too slow
⏹️ ▶️ Marco or the battery life is terrible or the sync is terrible. Like,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco ultimately, overall, I’m very much a Remarkable fan, but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I don’t think I necessarily need this new one. But what I still hope to eventually be
⏹️ ▶️ Marco released, and what I was hoping this event would be, but it wasn’t, I want a Remarkable 3.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco A still black and white screen, 300 DPI, just like the Carta screens that
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are on most of their competitors now, because they’re still like the Paper Pro the remarkable two
⏹️ ▶️ Marco are like 220 something DPI I think and the new move is 260 something
⏹️ ▶️ Marco 264 I think but all their competitors are 300 and it really does make a difference like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the text looks way sharper on like a super note or a Kindle scribe compared to their remarkables
⏹️ ▶️ Marco so I would love higher resolution but otherwise like I would love for them to just
⏹️ ▶️ Marco bring all of the little quality of life improvements they’ve they’ve learned over over time that are
⏹️ ▶️ Marco in the Pro and the Pro Move, bring those to a mid-sized
⏹️ ▶️ Marco black and white high-res tablet. I think that would be killer. I would love that.
⏹️ ▶️ John It seems like your dreams of black and white are gonna be the ones that are thwarted because if even this little thing
⏹️ ▶️ John has their color system, I feel like any remarkable 3’s gotta be color, right?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco That’s my fear, but the color screens do bring significant trade-offs. Like, it dramatically
⏹️ ▶️ Marco changes how much refreshing have to do the refreshes are slower the only thing
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I really don’t like about the remarkable pro compared to the two is the undo speed
⏹️ ▶️ Marco is significantly slower on the pro versus the two because the way the color screen has to refresh to undo
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to erase something it takes longer and it’s different it’s very like undo is very laggy on the pro screen
⏹️ ▶️ Marco whereas on the two it’s really not so yeah I would love a future nice
⏹️ ▶️ Marco black and white black and white with a light would be ideal and that’s why I tried the Vi
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Woods Mini because the Vi Woods Mini does offer that. It just has software that was not for me
⏹️ ▶️ Marco like most things. But overall like the Vi Woods Mini was like
⏹️ ▶️ Marco a great experience of like oh I do I would kind of maybe enjoy something like this but
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I want Remarkable software. Anyway so I love it I love what Remarkable does
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I am finding increasing uses for the tablet I’m very glad I have it. I even briefly, like, of course,
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I thought to myself, I would really love to write my own note-taking software.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Of course, because it’s me. And I’m not gonna learn Android, so screw that. But
⏹️ ▶️ Marco I thought, how bad would it be if I just use an iPad for this purpose?
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like, if I just write an iPad app, and I tried using
⏹️ ▶️ Marco an iPad for note-taking on my desk to replace the Remarkable for a couple of days, a
⏹️ ▶️ Marco few weeks ago and it’s so much worse. And I’m not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco even talking about just the feel of the screen, which is incredibly
⏹️ ▶️ Marco worse. It’s not even close. The feel of writing with the Apple Pencil on an iPad, even
⏹️ ▶️ Marco with a paper-style screen protector, or without, no matter how
⏹️ ▶️ Marco you’re doing it, it’s night and day different compared to an E-ink tablet.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco The E-ink tablets, they feel way better, The pens are way better, the draw distance is way smaller.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like it’s just, everything about them is better feeling in terms of like actual note taking.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco But, you know, also just all the software is totally wrong. Like I tried, I looked around
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the app store trying to find like what iPad app comes the closest
⏹️ ▶️ Marco to a remarkable style note taking UI.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco And it’s a rough space out there. Like there is nothing good.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco Like, because everything, the reason why Remarkable fits me so well is because they seem to have similar
⏹️ ▶️ Marco values as I do in terms of like, you know, quality, like a small feature set done very well.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco All of the iPad note-taking apps don’t do that. They’re all like, we’re going to be everything to you.
⏹️ ▶️ Marco We want to, we’re going to have like, you know, audio recording, AI transcription, AI
⏹️ ▶️ Marco everything, you know, import documents and take notes on other sheets. And it’s like, oh, I don’t want
⏹️ ▶️ Marco any of that. I want like a fancy notebook. That’s what I want here. I want a notebook
⏹️ ▶️ Marco that’s dynamic because it’s a computer. And that’s what the E-ink tablets offer. And I was not
⏹️ ▶️ Marco able to find something like that on the iPad. So even setting aside
⏹️ ▶️ Marco the hardware problems that make it a lot less ideal for this purpose, the software
⏹️ ▶️ Marco situation is dire. It’s terrible. So someday maybe I’ll write my own, but that’s